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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: David Emory Watson <demoryw@pacbell.net>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
	aia21@cam.ac.uk, stoffel@casc.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [OT] Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..."
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:11:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3AED101F.8DB882AF@mandrakesoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104300145050.4113-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <988611138.21363.1.camel@shade> <20010430025335.A5189@thyrsus.com>

"Eric S. Raymond" wrote:
> Actually, Al is sort of half-right here.  There used to be a 4-lines-or-less
> convention on USENET, back in the days when bandwidth was expensive.  I
> adhered to it then, because it mattered.
> 
> Nowadays it doesn't -- at least not at that level.  Huge sigs with
> embedded ASCII graphics and the like are still best avoided, but merely
> because they're tasteless and distracting.
> 
> I don't think I've heard anyone invoke the 4-line rule since about
> 1992, though.  I didn't start generating short random quotes into my sig
> until about 1996, well after the "standard" was effectively dead.

The 4-line rule is still being invoked all the time, and written into
college netiquette guides for students, things like that.  The standard
has never been "effectively dead" except in the sense that it always has
been:  clueless AOLers ignore it, clueful netiquette followers follow
it.

Read item #15:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/gnksa.txt


> Despite the demise of the 4-line standard, I have a pretty definite
> impression that the average size of sigs actually dropped in the 1990s.
> The main thing that formerly inflated a lot of them was the need to
> list multiple bang-path addresses and other forms of contact info.
> Reliable @-addressing pretty much eliminated that pressure.
> 
> Even back in its day this "rule" was frequently abused as a socially
> acceptable way to attack people whose opinions or style one disliked.

frequently abused, yes.  socially acceptable?  doubtful.

-- 
Jeff Garzik      | Game called on account of naked chick
Building 1024    |
MandrakeSoft     |

  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-30  7:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-27 23:35 CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..." Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-29 15:12 ` John Stoffel
2001-04-29 22:35   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-29 22:43     ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 16:28     ` John Stoffel
2001-04-30 17:39       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 19:16         ` Peter Samuelson
2001-04-30 19:25           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-01  9:23             ` Requirement of make oldconfig [was: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka ...] Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-05-01 16:31               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-01 21:35                 ` Olivier Galibert
2001-05-01 22:26                   ` Tom Rini
2001-05-02 13:32           ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-05-02 17:49             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-02 20:12               ` John Stoffel
2001-05-03  7:04                 ` Hierarchy doesn't solve the problem Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03  7:34                   ` Urban Widmark
2001-05-03  7:46                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 14:33                       ` Juan Quintela
2001-05-03 16:16                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 22:20                       ` Mike Castle
2001-05-03 12:32                 ` Requirement of make oldconfig [was: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka ...] Horst von Brand
2001-05-03 12:47                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-03 13:24                     ` Horst von Brand
2001-05-03 14:40                       ` Juan Quintela
2001-05-03 16:07                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 16:04                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-03 17:36                     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-30  1:36   ` CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..." Anton Altaparmakov
2001-04-30  1:41     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30  2:13       ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-04-30  2:24       ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30  5:41         ` David Emory Watson
2001-04-30  5:50           ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30  6:12             ` David Emory Watson
2001-04-30  6:53               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30  7:11                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2001-04-30  7:17                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30 14:25                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-04-30 15:54                   ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 10:57                 ` John Cowan
2001-04-30 13:30               ` David Woodhouse
2001-04-30 13:29             ` David Woodhouse
2001-04-30  7:05         ` volodya
2001-04-30  7:23           ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-30  7:40             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30  9:09               ` [Moving rapidly offtopic] " Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-04-30 16:16               ` nick
2001-04-30 17:12                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 17:20                   ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-04-30 17:25                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-30 19:44                   ` [kbuild-devel] " Gerhard Mack
2001-04-30 19:47                     ` nick
2001-04-30  3:26       ` volodya
2001-04-30  7:52     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-04-30  8:03       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-04-30 16:17         ` volodya
2001-04-30  8:13       ` Anton Altaparmakov
     [not found] ` <15084.12830.973535.153706@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
2001-04-29 22:41   ` Eric S. Raymond
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-30 17:40 [OT] " Leif Sawyer
2001-04-30 17:46 ` Jeff Garzik

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