From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: LANANA: Getting out of hand?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:16:39 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B019CB7.78A2C5EB@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105142114310.23663-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2001, Alan Cox wrote:
> >
> > Except that Linus wont hand out major numbers, which means I can't even boot
> > simply off such a device. I bet the vendors in question dont think the sun
> > shines out of linus backside any more.
>
> Actually, it does. It's just that some people have gotten so blinded by my
> a** that they can no longer see it any more ;)
>
> The problem I have is that there are lots of _good_ solutions, but they
> all imply a bit more work than the bad ones.
>
> What does that result in? Everybody continues to use the simple old setup,
> which required no thought at all, but that is a pain to maintain.
>
> For example, the only thing you need in order to boot is to have a nice
> clean "disk" major number. That's it. Nothing fancy, nothing more.
>
> Look at what we have now:
>
> - ramdisk: major 1. Fair enough - ramdisk is special, in that it doesn't
> have any "real hardware". No problem.
> - SCSI disks:
> major 8, 65-71,
> - Compaq smart2:
> major 72-79
> - Compaq CISS:
> major 104-111
> - DASD;
> major 94
> - IDE:
> major 3, 22, 33-34, 56-57, 88-91
>
> and then the small random ones.
>
> NONE of these major numbers have _any_ redeeming qualities except for the
> ramdisk. They should all be _one_ major number, namely "disk". There are
> absolutely NO advantages to having separate devices for soem strange
> compaq controllers and IDE disks. There is _no_ point in having some SCSI
> disks show up at major 8, while others (who just happen to be attached to
> a scsi bus that is not driven by the generic SCSI layer) show up at major
> 104 or whatever.
And then the IDE stuff is stiuoid to use the same major numbers for
in fact entierly different devices like CD-ROM and IDE disk drivers on
the same major... This makes it VERY uncomfortable to guarantee that
for example the sector size and driver read ahead are properties
tighted to the major number alone... In fact Linux is bundling
read ahead with the major number only, in esp. inside the RAID drivers
which is entierly wrong! (see blksize_size array and read_ahead array).
And yes the RAID drivers are in particular *VERY* stiupid in
terms of major/minor number usage.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-05-15 21:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 317+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-05-14 19:19 LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 19:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 19:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:09 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:43 ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-05-14 23:48 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 20:55 ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 21:37 ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 21:33 ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 6:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 8:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 9:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 9:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 9:49 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 9:51 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 10:12 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:36 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:55 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:29 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:21 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:25 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:29 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:32 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:44 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:18 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 18:36 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:42 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16 8:29 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 17:16 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:46 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:50 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:58 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 19:43 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:58 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16 8:51 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-17 10:20 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 17:32 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-19 10:21 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 20:40 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 22:46 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-19 8:18 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:03 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:28 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:20 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-15 21:28 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 7:11 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 7:43 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16 9:45 ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-15 21:43 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:49 ` James Simmons
2001-05-16 7:05 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 22:07 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 0:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16 1:34 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-16 1:51 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 7:17 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 11:34 ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-17 17:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-17 19:30 ` Jeff Randall
2001-05-15 20:14 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:41 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16 1:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16 1:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 21:22 ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 10:42 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 18:32 ` James Simmons
2001-05-19 10:23 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants] Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:17 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:43 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 20:31 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-19 23:57 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 7:18 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumber Registrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 7:41 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 8:30 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumberRegistrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 10:09 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 9:53 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num Kai Henningsen
2001-05-20 13:40 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 14:27 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-20 14:30 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNum Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 14:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:00 ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 15:18 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:40 ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 16:01 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:26 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-20 15:42 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 17:45 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 18:14 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 18:37 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 18:49 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 19:08 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-22 5:56 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num Pavel Machek
2001-05-20 0:01 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants] Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 11:17 ` handling network using filesystem [was Re: no ioctls for serial ports?] Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 20:11 ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumber Registrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-17 20:33 ` LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:57 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:59 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:51 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:22 ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-15 21:39 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-15 18:02 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 19:31 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 19:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:10 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:41 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 21:47 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:24 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:38 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:14 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:28 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:33 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 7:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 18:22 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 19:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:01 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:54 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 21:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:11 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-16 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:21 ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16 23:03 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:37 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:41 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:49 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17 21:12 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:06 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 20:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16 20:44 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:51 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:58 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-17 0:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17 0:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17 1:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-17 9:33 ` Guest section DW
2001-05-15 20:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:42 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:46 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:07 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:18 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:40 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:12 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 23:39 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16 20:37 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:49 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 23:22 ` Kenneth Johansson
2001-05-15 9:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 15:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 17:27 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 18:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:33 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 19:36 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-15 20:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:26 ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 22:14 ` Miles Lane
2001-05-15 21:29 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-15 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 22:03 ` Jeff Mahoney
2001-05-15 22:42 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 21:51 ` Mark Frazer
2001-05-15 22:35 ` Bob Glamm
2001-05-16 0:56 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 2:31 ` Andrew Morton
2001-05-16 6:56 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 8:02 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 14:37 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 14:57 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 15:24 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 12:20 ` Bogdan Costescu
2001-05-16 7:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 23:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17 0:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17 7:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 16:26 ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 6:43 ` Thomas Sailer
2001-05-17 16:58 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:18 ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 17:29 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 17:41 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 22:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-16 23:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17 1:26 ` Joel Becker
2001-05-16 16:04 ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-16 21:36 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-17 21:23 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-18 2:18 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 8:42 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-19 17:36 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20 9:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-20 15:54 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20 14:16 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 15:57 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:45 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 7:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15 18:19 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:23 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 20:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:52 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 20:02 ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 11:44 ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16 1:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16 12:58 ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16 3:25 ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:51 ` John Fremlin
2001-05-14 21:09 ` Andi Kleen
2001-05-14 23:34 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 21:11 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14 21:23 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 0:33 ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16 9:04 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-14 21:16 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:05 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:48 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:46 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:53 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 23:00 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:29 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 23:39 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 4:20 ` God
2001-05-15 7:48 ` 2.4 " bert hubert
2001-05-15 8:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 9:09 ` bert hubert
2001-05-14 23:18 ` LANANA: " Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-14 23:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 18:57 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 5:56 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-15 5:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:55 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:11 ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-14 23:19 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:23 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 1:10 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-15 4:12 ` LANANA: Getting out of hand? God
2001-05-15 4:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 5:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 8:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15 8:48 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:16 ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
2001-05-14 23:01 ` Interrupted sound with 2.4.4-ac6 Hermann Himmelbauer
2001-05-14 21:18 ` LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:32 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:09 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 17:37 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 11:32 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 15:58 ` Kurt Garloff
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-15 16:26 LANANA: Getting out of hand? Rick Hohensee
[not found] <7146.1033580256@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>
2002-10-03 0:36 ` [PATCH] AFS filesystem for Linux (2/2) Linus Torvalds
2002-10-03 9:05 ` David Howells
2002-10-03 16:53 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-03 17:45 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-03 21:46 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 8:13 ` David Howells
[not found] ` <15381.1033681790@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>
2002-10-04 14:02 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-04 14:40 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 15:35 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 15:53 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 15:56 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 16:17 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 17:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 17:29 ` David Howells
2002-10-07 14:14 ` David Howells
2002-10-07 14:54 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-07 15:36 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:30 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-04 15:34 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:07 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-04 16:56 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 17:36 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 9:14 ` David Howells
2002-10-06 16:49 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-07 9:16 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 14:11 ` [patch] [kkern] " Patrick Audley
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