From: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
To: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:45:40 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B0551B4.CB251F64@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010518115839.E14309@thyrsus.com> <E150mhR-0007Ig-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20010518123413.I14309@thyrsus.com>
"Eric S. Raymond" wrote:
> > It would. Because people who like the old config would continue to use the
> > old tools
>
> Excuse me?
> Do you really believe that anyone is going to maintain the CML1 tools
> for as long as a nanosecond after they get dropped out of the kernel tree?
I hereby volunteer to maintain at least make oldconfig and make config,
and perhaps make menuconfig.
> Even supposing somebody were loony enough to do that, how would preserving
> an old interface in amber do anything to explore new UI possibilities?
kernel != GUI
There are plenty of UI kernel configurators out there. Good ones. Bad
ones.
LOOK AT THEM. FIX THEM if you don't like them. But PLEASE don't even
think
about taking the current, very useful for advanced users, tools away
without
offering something of at least the same capabilities.
> Perhaps I'm just unusually dense this morning.
Given the rest of this thread, unusual is not the word that comes to my
mind
(sorry, open door and you asked for it)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-05-18 16:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-05-05 23:27 CML2 design philosophy heads-up Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-06 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-07 17:59 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-07 21:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-08 9:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 12:42 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-08 1:31 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 1:43 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-08 1:56 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 6:57 ` David Weinehall
2001-05-08 7:00 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 6:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-05-08 7:15 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-08 14:15 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-13 14:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-13 15:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-15 14:43 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 7:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-17 7:47 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-17 9:35 ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17 16:34 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-18 7:43 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 8:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:53 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 14:06 ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:09 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-18 15:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:39 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:58 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:01 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:45 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2001-05-18 17:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-19 5:54 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-18 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 19:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 19:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 20:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 1:49 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-18 19:12 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:34 ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 14:30 ` David Lang
2001-05-18 15:47 ` Charles Cazabon
2001-05-18 15:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 5:44 ` Ben Ford
[not found] ` <mailman.990252541.15890.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-05-19 6:40 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-05-19 10:10 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-19 10:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-19 16:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-19 21:54 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-20 0:08 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:37 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 15:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 11:19 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:18 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:34 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-20 15:34 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 15:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 15:56 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 17:14 ` Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 0:45 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 9:14 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-21 11:32 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 20:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 12:15 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 12:31 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 23:11 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 17:47 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 20:47 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-20 20:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-20 21:10 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 3:38 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 22:51 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 1:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 6:41 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 10:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 11:05 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 20:38 ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 0:59 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-22 9:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23 1:51 ` Keith Owens
2001-05-21 23:00 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-22 13:45 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-22 16:21 ` John Stoffel
2001-05-22 17:17 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 3:33 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-20 20:59 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 18:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-20 20:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:59 ` CML2 design philosophy heads-up Jonathan Morton
2001-05-18 16:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:35 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 20:03 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-18 15:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 16:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 16:09 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:43 ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 17:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-18 17:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 17:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 18:28 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:23 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 17:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:54 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-05-18 16:02 ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Germaschewski
2001-05-18 19:12 ` frank
2001-05-15 20:32 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-15 21:33 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:19 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-18 15:37 ` Justin Carlson
2001-05-18 15:42 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-18 15:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 15:51 ` [kbuild-devel] " John Cowan
2001-05-18 15:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-18 16:00 ` John Cowan
2001-05-18 17:15 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 17:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-05-21 0:29 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 1:58 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 6:33 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-21 9:55 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 16:59 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-21 17:03 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 7:21 ` arjan
2001-05-21 2:10 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 2:35 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-21 5:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-21 9:58 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-05-21 15:36 ` Tom Rini
2001-05-21 16:24 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 6:11 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-05-21 12:08 ` Robert M. Love
2001-05-21 12:29 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 16:39 ` Brent D. Norris
2001-05-21 17:48 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-05-21 15:18 ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-05-21 15:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 15:52 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 3:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-18 16:22 ` Steven Cole
[not found] ` <0105210958040I.10237@spc.esa.lanl.gov>
[not found] ` <20010521090130.F9965@opus.bloom.county>
2001-05-21 16:13 ` Steven Cole
2001-05-18 17:10 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-18 17:11 [kbuild-devel] " Wayne.Brown
2001-05-18 20:04 Wayne.Brown
2001-05-18 20:43 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 20:56 ` Mike Castle
2001-05-18 22:52 Wayne.Brown
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