From: Tony Hoyle <tmh@magenta-netlogic.com>
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Russell Leighton <russell.leighton@247media.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:03:50 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B30D776.5090902@magenta-netlogic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20010620093214.davidel@xmailserver.org>
Davide Libenzi wrote:
> 1) HW is cheaper than software engineers time
Compared to E1000s??? You must be talking about some *really* expensive
engineers!
> 2) to find Java developers is easier than to find C developers
Depends on where you are in the world. It's certainly not true here
(everyone knows C/C++... Haven't had a java developer apply for a job
in months).
> 3) the ETA of the same project developed in Java is shorter than the same
> project done in C
Depends on the developers. Good developers can churn out the same
project to roughly the same timescale in any language (except possibly
assembly).
Java is useful if you need the cross platform bit & the target users
aren't technically savvy enough to recompile. For an in-house app where
you control the hardware you'd be better off using a C/C++/RAD & doing
it native.
Tony
(Just came back from a .NET conference... MS are currently rewriting
all their apps in bytecode... whoopee... They're even porting *games*
to run on it. I can see it now 'MS Flight Simulator .NET' (Requires
quad Pentium 4 1.6Ghz minimum) :-o )
Tony
--
"Two weeks before due date, the programmers work 22 hour days
cobbling an application from... (apparently) one programmer
bashing his face into the keyboard." -- Dilbert
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http://www.tony.hoyle.geek
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-06-20 17:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-06-19 14:53 accounting for threads Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 14:57 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-19 15:44 ` ognen
2001-06-19 15:58 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 16:02 ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 16:12 ` Padraig Brady
2001-06-19 19:10 ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:18 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-19 19:32 ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:43 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 15:33 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:59 ` Threads are processes that share more bert hubert
2001-06-20 16:15 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 18:48 ` Martin Devera
2001-06-20 19:19 ` Unknown PCI Net Device Greg Ingram
2001-06-20 22:53 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-06-20 22:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-20 23:00 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20 22:08 ` Threads are processes that share more Stephen Satchell
2001-06-20 22:14 ` ognen
2001-06-20 23:10 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 23:47 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-25 2:23 ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20 16:39 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) george anzinger
2001-06-20 18:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 4:11 ` Rusty Russell
2001-06-21 23:37 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 23:55 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-22 14:53 ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 16:40 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 20:09 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:05 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 14:35 ` Mike Porter
2001-06-20 11:56 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 16:02 ` Ben Pfaff
2001-06-19 16:09 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 16:26 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-06-19 16:52 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 18:18 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 23:31 ` Timur Tabi
2001-06-20 11:52 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:20 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 18:12 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 23:28 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-06-21 0:42 ` D. Stimits
2001-06-20 20:18 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 1:57 ` D. Stimits
2001-06-21 14:46 ` Idea: Patches-from-linus mailing list? (Was Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)) Rob Landley
2001-06-21 14:02 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Jesse Pollard
2001-06-21 14:18 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-22 14:46 ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-06-22 13:29 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 21:41 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 16:55 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 22:30 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 18:21 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 13:48 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 22:39 ` Steven Walter
2001-06-24 23:50 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-24 20:24 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 0:05 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-25 0:32 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-25 0:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-25 2:18 ` Galen Hancock
2001-06-20 14:59 ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-06-20 19:14 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 21:01 ` RE:Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?) David Schwartz
2001-06-20 21:26 ` Why " Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 22:18 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-20 22:41 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 22:47 ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-06-21 0:21 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 0:56 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 1:32 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 2:22 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 2:43 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 16:10 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 19:55 ` Marco Colombo
2001-06-20 22:43 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-21 1:43 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-19 17:10 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Matti Aarnio
2001-06-19 17:20 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 17:37 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 17:45 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 18:08 ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:38 ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:56 ` Michael Meissner
2001-06-19 17:53 ` Steve Underwood
2001-06-19 19:01 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20 2:57 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-20 3:04 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 3:38 ` John R Lenton
2001-06-20 10:21 ` john slee
2001-06-20 18:08 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 16:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 9:14 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-22 2:36 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-19 17:36 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 20:57 ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 21:11 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 21:15 ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 23:56 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-20 0:19 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20 0:28 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 1:30 ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20 2:14 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20 9:00 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 11:25 ` [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 11:25 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 17:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 19:27 ` Mike Harrold
2001-06-20 17:46 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 17:53 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 7:45 ` Albert D. Cahalan
[not found] ` <mailman.993067219.29993.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-06-20 20:16 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-20 22:05 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20010621000725.A24672@werewolf.able.es>
2001-06-20 19:15 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 9:40 ` Jonathan Morton
[not found] ` <mailman.993083762.1429.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-06-21 3:13 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-21 13:59 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 16:48 ` Adam Sampson
2001-06-20 15:12 ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20 15:44 ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 16:32 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 16:54 ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 17:03 ` Tony Hoyle [this message]
2001-06-20 15:10 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 20:23 ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-21 8:12 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 20:40 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 20:48 ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 21:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 21:06 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 18:14 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 16:53 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 12:36 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:14 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 18:09 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 19:05 ` William T Wilson
2001-06-20 0:04 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Chris Ricker
2001-06-20 0:59 ` Robert Love
2001-06-19 18:01 ` Alan Cox quote? Kai Henningsen
2001-06-19 18:49 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 21:12 ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-19 22:50 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-19 20:12 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-20 21:13 [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java Holzrichter, Bruce
2001-06-20 21:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-21 4:10 Dan Kegel
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