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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Victor Yodaiken <yodaiken@fsmlabs.com>
Subject: [OT] Re: Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:47:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B312807.F58DB4ED@mandrakesoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20010620154145.davidel@xmailserver.org>

Davide Libenzi wrote:
> 
> On 20-Jun-2001 David Schwartz wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 02:01:16PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote:
> >
> >> >    It's very hard to use processes for this purpose. Consider,
> >> > for example, a
> >> > web server. You don't want to use one process for each client
> >> > because that
> >> > would limit your scalability (16,000 clients would become difficult, and
> >> > with threads it's trivial). You don't want to use one thread
> >> > for each client
> >
> >> How is it trivial? How do you debug a 16,000 thread application?
> >
> >       As I said, you don't want to use one thread for each client. You use,
> > say, 10 threads for the 16,000 clients.
> 
> Humm, you're going to select() over 1600 fds ...

Sigh, this is offtopic for a while, and I am not helping ;-)

A well-designed app should not be selecting 100% of its fds, but only
those fd's that need selecting...

If you are talking about a single application with 16,000 clients,
personally, I would use thread pools:  a few threads for doing poll(2),
a few threads for doing work, etc.  Anything above that is unlikely to
scale with demand.

	Jeff


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  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-20 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-19 14:53 accounting for threads Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 14:57 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-19 15:44 ` ognen
2001-06-19 15:58   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 16:02     ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 16:12       ` Padraig Brady
2001-06-19 19:10       ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:18         ` Alan Cox
2001-06-19 19:32           ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:43           ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:22           ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 15:33             ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:59               ` Threads are processes that share more bert hubert
2001-06-20 16:15                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 18:48                 ` Martin Devera
2001-06-20 19:19                   ` Unknown PCI Net Device Greg Ingram
2001-06-20 22:53                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-06-20 22:56                       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-20 23:00                       ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20 22:08                 ` Threads are processes that share more Stephen Satchell
2001-06-20 22:14                   ` ognen
2001-06-20 23:10                   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 23:47                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-25  2:23                       ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20 16:39               ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) george anzinger
2001-06-20 18:35                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21  4:11                   ` Rusty Russell
2001-06-21 23:37                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 23:55                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-22 14:53                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 16:40               ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 20:09               ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:05           ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 14:35         ` Mike Porter
2001-06-20 11:56           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 16:02     ` Ben Pfaff
2001-06-19 16:09     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 16:26       ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-06-19 16:52         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 18:18           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 23:31           ` Timur Tabi
2001-06-20 11:52             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:20               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 18:12                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 23:28                   ` Dan Podeanu
2001-06-21  0:42                   ` D. Stimits
2001-06-20 20:18                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  1:57                       ` D. Stimits
2001-06-21 14:46                         ` Idea: Patches-from-linus mailing list? (Was Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)) Rob Landley
2001-06-21 14:02                   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Jesse Pollard
2001-06-21 14:18                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-22 14:46               ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-06-22 13:29                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 21:41                   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 16:55                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 22:30                       ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 18:21                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 13:48                           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 22:39                         ` Steven Walter
2001-06-24 23:50                         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-24 20:24                           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25  0:05                           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-25  0:32                             ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-25  0:59                               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-25  2:18                         ` Galen Hancock
2001-06-20 14:59             ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-06-20 19:14           ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 21:01           ` RE:Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?) David Schwartz
2001-06-20 21:26             ` Why " Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 22:18               ` David Schwartz
2001-06-20 22:41                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 22:47                   ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2001-06-21  0:21                   ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21  0:56                     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21  1:32                       ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21  2:22                         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21  2:43                           ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 16:10                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 19:55                               ` Marco Colombo
2001-06-20 22:43                 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-21  1:43                   ` David Schwartz
2001-06-19 17:10       ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Matti Aarnio
2001-06-19 17:20       ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 17:37         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 17:45           ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 18:08             ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:38               ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:56                 ` Michael Meissner
2001-06-19 17:53           ` Steve Underwood
2001-06-19 19:01             ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20  2:57               ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-20  3:04                 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  3:38                   ` John R Lenton
2001-06-20 10:21                   ` john slee
2001-06-20 18:08                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 16:21                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20  9:14                 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-22  2:36                   ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-19 17:36       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 17:41         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 20:57         ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 21:11           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 21:15             ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 23:56               ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-20  0:19                 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  0:28                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  1:30                     ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20  2:14                       ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  9:00                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 11:25                       ` [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 11:25                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 17:36                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 19:27                             ` Mike Harrold
2001-06-20 17:46                               ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:53                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 17:53                                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  7:45                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.993067219.29993.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-06-20 20:16                                 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-20 22:05                                   ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                           ` <20010621000725.A24672@werewolf.able.es>
2001-06-20 19:15                             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  9:40                               ` Jonathan Morton
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.993083762.1429.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-06-21  3:13                               ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-21 13:59                                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 16:48                           ` Adam Sampson
2001-06-20 15:12                         ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20 15:44                           ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 16:32                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 16:54                               ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 17:03                               ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 15:10                                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 20:23                                   ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-21  8:12                                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 20:40                                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 20:48                                     ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 21:00                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 21:06                                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 18:14                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 16:53                           ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 12:36                             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:14                           ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 18:09                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 19:05                         ` William T Wilson
2001-06-20  0:04           ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Chris Ricker
2001-06-20  0:59             ` Robert Love
2001-06-19 18:01       ` Alan Cox quote? Kai Henningsen
2001-06-19 18:49         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 21:12           ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-19 22:50             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-19 20:12         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen

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