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From: Tom Gall <tom_gall@vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Gérard Roudier" <groudier@club-internet.fr>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: Changes for PCI
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:11:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B3B9D83.F95D4496@vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010628223210.Q1578-100000@>

Gérard Roudier wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
> > Tom Gall wrote:
> > > Well you have device drivers like the symbios scsi driver for instance that
> > > tries to determine if it's seen a card before. It does this by looking at the
> > > bus,dev etc numbers...  It's quite reasonable for two different scsi cards to be
> > > on the same bus number, same dev number etc yet they are in different PCI
> > > domains.
> > >
> > > Is this a device driver bug or feature?
> >
> > I hesitate to call it a device driver bug, because that was likely the
> > best decision Gerard could make at the time.
> >
> > However, I think the driver (only going by your description) would be
> > more correct to use a pointer to struct pci_dev.  We have a token in the
> > kernel that is guaranteed 100% unique to any given PCI device:  the
> > pointer to its struct pci_dev.
> 
> The driver checks against PCI bus+dev+func in 2 situations:
> 
> 1) To apply the boot order that user can set up in the controller NVRAMs.
> 2) To detect buggy double reporting of the same device by the kernel PCI
>    code (this made lot of troubles at some time).

Thanks much for the clarification. Do you still battle buggy double reporting?
Has this been fixed? Is it a bug on some specific architecture?
 
> The great bug is to invent useless abstractions that don't match reality.
> Such brain masturbation leads to confusion (hence subtle bugs)  and
> useless software bloatage (thus _real_ resource wastage).

Agreed. (A couple of my posts last night didn't make it through... appears that
us.ibm.com isn't set up entirely right for ENC)

> If we want to handle _real_ PCI bus domains, we just have to add a domain
> number to identify a _real_ PCI device. Anything that wants to hide such
> reality in some opaque data looks like brain masturbation to me.

Again also agreed. Now I'm REALLY anxious for 2.5 8-)

>   Gérard.

Regards,

Tom

-- 
Tom Gall - PPC64 Maintainer      "Where's the ka-boom? There was
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-28 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-27 22:06 RFC: Changes for PCI Tom Gall
2001-06-27 22:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-27 22:57   ` Tom Gall
2001-06-27 23:34     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-27 18:24       ` Tom Gall
2001-06-28 20:57       ` Gérard Roudier
2001-06-28 21:11         ` Tom Gall [this message]
2001-06-28 21:18           ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-28 21:12         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-28  1:02     ` David S. Miller
2001-06-27 19:07       ` Tom Gall
2001-06-29  5:22         ` Richard Henderson
2001-06-29  3:14           ` Tom Gall
2001-06-27 23:17   ` anton
2001-06-28  1:04     ` David S. Miller
2001-06-27 18:49       ` Tom Gall
2001-06-28  4:06         ` David S. Miller
2001-06-27 20:01           ` Tom Gall
     [not found]   ` <mailman.993682861.9307.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-06-27 23:41     ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-28  0:48       ` David S. Miller
2001-06-28  1:00   ` David S. Miller
2001-06-27 23:12 ` anton
2001-06-28  0:59 ` David S. Miller
2001-06-28 16:48   ` Todd Inglett
2001-06-28 17:01     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-28 17:20       ` Todd Inglett
2001-06-28 17:01     ` Alan Cox
2001-06-28 21:54       ` Gérard Roudier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-28 23:08 Khachaturov, Vassilii
2001-06-28 23:27 ` Jeff Garzik

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