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From: "Paul G. Allen" <pgallen@randomlogic.com>
To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input)@localhost.localdomain
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OT] DMCA loop hole
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:51:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B6B4723.523B0069@randomlogic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0108010137240.7994-100000@aaieee.daisy-chan.org> <3B689B50.33E84D33@randomlogic.com> <20010803165221.C11011@ksu.edu>

Joseph Pingenot wrote:
> 
> >From Paul G. Allen on Wednesday, 01 August, 2001:
> >To take another angle, those of us who actively look for exploits in software (because companies like M$ fail to do so themselves) risk being sued for doing so.
> 
> Hrm.  Very good point.  However, under most EULA's I've seen, reverse
>   engineering is already a no-no.

Under copyright law, under fair use, once I purchase something - ANYTHING - I can use it however I damn well please as long as it's for my own use, for
educational purposes, and I do not make a profit or significantly cut into the copyright holders profit. Copyright law outweighs EULA's, so along came so-called
"license agreements", harware to circumvent our fair use, and DMCA.

> 
> >This makes jobs like mine EXTREMELY difficult because on the one hand I don't want my company using software that will allow Joe Cracker to take over our
> >machines, and on the other I don't want the company sued just because I did some necessary reverse engineering in order to prevent it (again, because the
> >software mfg. can't be trusted to do it themselves).
> 

The one and only reason (that I know of, but don't take my word for it as gospel, since I am only an admin/programmer/setwork security person) we use Windows is
because there is no support for Windows Media on anything other than Win-Tel (Windows on Intel) platforms. Most of our reliable servers are Red Hat Linux (and
we have over 11,000 servers across the 'net), including Real Media servers, ftp servers, and web servers. (One of the reasons I am now getting involved with the
kernel is because we use Linux so much.)

Also note that even though Linux is Open Source, much of the other software that we (and other companies) have to use is not, so much of it still falls under
this DMCA BS.

PGA

-- 
Paul G. Allen
UNIX Admin II/Programmer
Akamai Technologies, Inc.
www.akamai.com
Work: (858)909-3630
Cell: (858)395-5043

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-04  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-01  4:14 [OT] DMCA loop hole James Simmons
2001-08-01  5:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-01  5:49   ` James Simmons
2001-08-01  9:40 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-08-01 10:47 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-01 11:16   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-08-01  6:44     ` Joshua Jore
2001-08-01 13:54       ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-01 17:18       ` [very OT] " Garett Spencley
2001-08-01 20:40         ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-02  0:14       ` [OT] " Paul G. Allen
2001-08-03 21:52         ` Joseph Pingenot
2001-08-03 22:09           ` Alan Cox
2001-08-03 22:16             ` Joseph Pingenot
2001-08-03 22:45               ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-08-03 22:31             ` nick
2001-08-03 22:46               ` Alan Shutko
2001-08-03 23:45                 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-08-03 22:51               ` Mike Harrold
2001-08-03 23:14                 ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-04  0:51           ` Paul G. Allen [this message]
2001-08-04  1:34             ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-11 12:10       ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-14  7:07         ` Joshua b. Jore
2001-08-14 12:36           ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-14 13:17             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-08-14 14:32             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-14 22:13           ` Paul G. Allen

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