From: Adrian Cox <adrian@humboldt.co.uk>
To: root@chaos.analogic.com
Cc: Nicholas Knight <tegeran@home.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Encrypted Swap
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:51:49 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B7E2CA5.50904@humboldt.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1010817152158.4584B-100000@chaos.analogic.com>
Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> We've established no such thing. In fact, you can't properly initialize
> SDRAM memory without writing something to it.
After all of this theory it was time to do some experiments. I modified
the BIOS on my current PowerPC system to compare memory against a test
pattern (I chose 0x31415926 incrementing by 0x27182817) over the address
range 0x0 to 0x100000. This pattern has approximately 50% 1s and 50% 0s.
On pressing the reset button, I got 100% of bits holding the same value.
If I turn the power off for 20s, I get approximately 90% of bits holding
the same value. After a minute, it's dropped to the 50% level, which I
take as random.
For added fun, I then tried turning off, pulling out the DIMM, plugging
it into the other slot, and turning back on. 97% of the bits had the
original value. So one attack we must consider is the attacker removing
power, ripping the DIMM out, and plugging it into a special DIMM reading
device.
Your descriptions on how memory is started look very machine specific.
On mine (Motorola MPC107) I write the number of row bits, column bits,
and internal banks to the memory controller, along with the CAS latency.
I then set MEMGO, and the memory controller precharges each bank.
--
Adrian Cox http://www.humboldt.co.uk/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-08-18 8:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-08-07 2:28 Encrypted Swap David Spreen
2001-08-07 3:56 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07 4:01 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 4:12 ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07 4:23 ` John Polyakov
2001-08-07 4:36 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 5:12 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 5:55 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07 6:27 ` John Polyakov
2001-08-06 23:28 ` Rob Landley
2001-08-07 10:10 ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-08-07 14:05 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 6:41 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 6:57 ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07 6:45 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07 7:08 ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07 7:23 ` Sean Hunter
2001-08-07 8:39 ` Ben Ford
2001-08-07 12:28 ` Kevin Krieser
2001-08-07 12:39 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-07 13:39 ` Re[2]: " s0mbre
2001-08-08 2:24 ` Re[2]: Encrypted Swap (random off-topic snippet) Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-08 2:51 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-08-07 14:21 ` Encrypted Swap Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-07 7:26 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07 7:34 ` Jeffrey Considine
2001-08-07 7:49 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 9:01 ` Peter Wächtler
2001-08-07 12:37 ` Michael Bacarella
2001-08-17 14:50 ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 15:39 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 15:57 ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 16:34 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-08-17 16:50 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:06 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 17:16 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:22 ` Jacob Alifrangis
2001-08-17 17:36 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 18:51 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-17 19:30 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 8:51 ` Adrian Cox [this message]
2001-08-18 11:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-19 8:51 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-20 1:27 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-20 11:08 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-20 11:50 ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-21 13:55 ` Andreas Bombe
2001-08-17 20:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:09 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-08-07 7:34 ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07 7:55 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 15:17 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 7:49 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 7:58 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 9:23 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 13:29 ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-08-07 15:56 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 17:10 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 9:52 ` Brian May
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:18 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 16:24 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 17:14 ` [OT] Cold, Dead Hard drives (was: Encrypted Swap) Stephen Satchell
2001-08-08 2:13 ` Encrypted Swap Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-07 20:30 ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-07 10:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-08-13 3:32 ` swap & deadlocks [was Re: Encrypted Swap] Pavel Machek
[not found] <no.id>
2001-08-07 14:17 ` Encrypted Swap Alan Cox
2001-08-07 15:16 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 16:01 ` Chris Wedgwood
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-07 14:37 encrypted swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Billy Harvey
2001-08-07 16:03 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 15:06 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:11 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:43 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:30 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 16:21 ` David Spreen
2001-08-08 8:11 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 15:28 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:51 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 17:30 Encrypted Swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 17:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-07 18:53 encrypted swap Torrey Hoffman
2001-08-07 19:15 ` Thomas Pornin
2001-08-07 19:23 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:04 ` Marty Poulin
2001-08-07 21:06 ` David Wagner
2001-08-07 21:56 ` D. Stimits
2001-08-07 21:44 ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07 20:05 ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 20:17 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-07 21:40 David Spreen
2001-08-17 17:10 Encrypted Swap David Christensen
2001-08-17 17:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 18:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:05 ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-18 9:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-18 10:24 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-18 12:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:20 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 10:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] <fa.kmbqblv.v3uvig@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-18 14:53 ` Ted Unangst
2001-08-18 15:17 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2001-08-20 11:03 ` Helge Hafting
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