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From: Adrian Cox <adrian@humboldt.co.uk>
To: root@chaos.analogic.com
Cc: Nicholas Knight <tegeran@home.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Encrypted Swap
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:51:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B7E2CA5.50904@humboldt.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1010817152158.4584B-100000@chaos.analogic.com>

Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> We've established no such thing. In fact, you can't properly initialize
> SDRAM memory without writing something to it. 

After all of this theory it was time to do some experiments. I modified 
the BIOS on my current PowerPC system to compare memory against a test 
pattern (I chose 0x31415926 incrementing by 0x27182817) over the address 
range 0x0 to 0x100000. This pattern has approximately 50% 1s and 50% 0s.

On pressing the reset button, I got 100% of bits holding the same value. 
If I turn the power off for 20s, I get approximately 90% of bits holding 
the same value. After a minute, it's dropped to the 50% level, which I 
take as random.

For added fun, I then tried turning off, pulling out the DIMM, plugging 
it into the other slot, and turning back on. 97% of the bits had the 
original value. So one attack we must consider is the attacker removing 
power, ripping the DIMM out, and plugging it into a special DIMM reading 
device.

Your descriptions on how memory is started look very machine specific. 
On mine (Motorola MPC107) I write the number of row bits, column bits, 
and internal banks to the memory controller, along with the CAS latency. 
I then set MEMGO, and the memory controller precharges each bank.
-- 
Adrian Cox   http://www.humboldt.co.uk/


  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-18  8:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-07  2:28 Encrypted Swap David Spreen
2001-08-07  3:56 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07  4:01   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  4:12   ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  4:23     ` John Polyakov
2001-08-07  4:36       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  5:12       ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  5:55         ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  6:27           ` John Polyakov
2001-08-06 23:28             ` Rob Landley
2001-08-07 10:10               ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-08-07 14:05                 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07  6:41             ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  6:57               ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  6:45             ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  7:08               ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  7:23                 ` Sean Hunter
2001-08-07  8:39                   ` Ben Ford
2001-08-07 12:28                   ` Kevin Krieser
2001-08-07 12:39                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-07 13:39                     ` Re[2]: " s0mbre
2001-08-08  2:24                       ` Re[2]: Encrypted Swap (random off-topic snippet) Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-08  2:51                         ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-08-07 14:21                     ` Encrypted Swap Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-07  7:26                 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  7:34                 ` Jeffrey Considine
2001-08-07  7:49                 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:01                 ` Peter Wächtler
2001-08-07 12:37           ` Michael Bacarella
2001-08-17 14:50           ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 15:39             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 15:57               ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 16:34                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-08-17 16:50                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:06               ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 17:16                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:22                   ` Jacob Alifrangis
2001-08-17 17:36                   ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 18:51                     ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-17 19:30                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18  8:51                         ` Adrian Cox [this message]
2001-08-18 11:02                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-19  8:51                             ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-20  1:27                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-20 11:08                             ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-20 11:50                             ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-21 13:55                         ` Andreas Bombe
2001-08-17 20:00                       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:09         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-08-07  7:34       ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  7:55         ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 15:17         ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  7:49     ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07  7:58       ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:23         ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 13:29           ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-08-07 15:56           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:54             ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 17:10               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  9:52     ` Brian May
2001-08-07 14:48       ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:59         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:18           ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 16:24             ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 17:14         ` [OT] Cold, Dead Hard drives (was: Encrypted Swap) Stephen Satchell
2001-08-08  2:13       ` Encrypted Swap Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-07 20:30   ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-07 10:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-08-13  3:32   ` swap & deadlocks [was Re: Encrypted Swap] Pavel Machek
     [not found] <no.id>
2001-08-07 14:17 ` Encrypted Swap Alan Cox
2001-08-07 15:16   ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 16:01     ` Chris Wedgwood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-07 14:37 encrypted swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Billy Harvey
2001-08-07 16:03 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 15:06 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:11 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:43   ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:30 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 16:21 ` David Spreen
2001-08-08  8:11 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 15:28 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:51 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 17:30 Encrypted Swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 17:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-07 18:53 encrypted swap Torrey Hoffman
2001-08-07 19:15 ` Thomas Pornin
2001-08-07 19:23 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-08-07 19:48   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:04   ` Marty Poulin
2001-08-07 21:06   ` David Wagner
2001-08-07 21:56     ` D. Stimits
2001-08-07 21:44   ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07 20:05   ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 20:17   ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-07 21:40 David Spreen
2001-08-17 17:10 Encrypted Swap David Christensen
2001-08-17 17:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 18:41   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:05     ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-18  9:52       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-18 10:24         ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-18 12:32           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:20     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 10:34       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] <fa.kmbqblv.v3uvig@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-18 14:53 ` Ted Unangst
2001-08-18 15:17   ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2001-08-20 11:03   ` Helge Hafting

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