From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@idb.hist.no>
To: Ted Unangst <tedu@stanford.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Encrypted Swap
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:03:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B80EE9A.EFA4FDB@idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0108180744090.9012-100000@cardinal0.Stanford.EDU>
Ted Unangst wrote:
> 1. not everyone is going to bring their James Bond RAM Reader (tm) into
> your building to extract data. a hardcore data thief, maybe, but it's not
> common equipment. everyone will have access to an IDE or SCSI disk
> reader.
>
Everybody has access to a RAM reader. It is called a "pc". Bring
one that has battery power and spare slots to plug the stolen
modules into. You don't need Q to do this.
> 2. RAM has a short window of oppurtunity. whatever it turns out to be,
> RAM degrades faster than disk. it's not going to last while you drive it
> home, unless you have a RAM refresher plugged in the cigarette lighter.
Again, a pc with a 12v adapter is the poor man's in-car ram refresher.
:-)
> 3. encrypted swap is meant for a different threat model. you assume that
> the attacker might have access to the box at night or over a weekend,
> while you're away. RAM will be off. if you think someone might be trying
> to steal your RAM, you need better physical security.
Exactly.
Helge Hafting
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2001-08-18 14:53 ` Encrypted Swap Ted Unangst
2001-08-18 15:17 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2001-08-20 11:03 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2001-08-17 17:10 David Christensen
2001-08-17 17:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 18:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:05 ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-18 9:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-18 10:24 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-18 12:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:20 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 10:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-07 21:40 encrypted swap David Spreen
2001-08-07 18:53 Torrey Hoffman
2001-08-07 19:15 ` Thomas Pornin
2001-08-07 19:23 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:04 ` Marty Poulin
2001-08-07 21:06 ` David Wagner
2001-08-07 21:56 ` D. Stimits
2001-08-07 21:44 ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07 20:05 ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 20:17 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-07 17:30 Encrypted Swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 17:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-07 15:28 encrypted swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:51 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:06 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:11 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:43 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:30 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 16:21 ` David Spreen
2001-08-08 8:11 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 14:37 David Maynor
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Billy Harvey
2001-08-07 16:03 ` Chris Wedgwood
[not found] <no.id>
2001-08-07 14:17 ` Encrypted Swap Alan Cox
2001-08-07 15:16 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 16:01 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 2:28 David Spreen
2001-08-07 3:56 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07 4:01 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 4:12 ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07 4:23 ` John Polyakov
2001-08-07 4:36 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 5:12 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 5:55 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07 6:27 ` John Polyakov
2001-08-06 23:28 ` Rob Landley
2001-08-07 10:10 ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-08-07 14:05 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 6:41 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 6:57 ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07 6:45 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07 7:08 ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07 7:23 ` Sean Hunter
2001-08-07 8:39 ` Ben Ford
2001-08-07 12:28 ` Kevin Krieser
2001-08-07 12:39 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-07 14:21 ` Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-07 7:26 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07 7:34 ` Jeffrey Considine
2001-08-07 7:49 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 9:01 ` Peter Wächtler
2001-08-07 12:37 ` Michael Bacarella
2001-08-17 14:50 ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 15:39 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 15:57 ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 16:34 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-08-17 16:50 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:06 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 17:16 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:22 ` Jacob Alifrangis
2001-08-17 17:36 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 18:51 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-17 19:30 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 8:51 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-18 11:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-19 8:51 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-20 1:27 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-20 11:08 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-20 11:50 ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-21 13:55 ` Andreas Bombe
2001-08-17 20:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:09 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-08-07 7:34 ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07 7:55 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 15:17 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 7:49 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 7:58 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 9:23 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 13:29 ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-08-07 15:56 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 17:10 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 9:52 ` Brian May
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:18 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 16:24 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-08 2:13 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-07 20:30 ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-07 10:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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