From: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
To: Mike Touloumtzis <miket@bluemug.com>
Cc: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>, Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, riel@conectiva.com.br
Subject: Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:47:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B83B80C.140A5146@nortelnetworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108182234250.31188-100000@waste.org> <998193404.653.12.camel@phantasy> <20010821231002.C27313@bluemug.com>
Mike Touloumtzis wrote:
> You have been repeating that there is no difference in security
> between /dev/random and /dev/urandom, but consider this: you install
> a kernel/hardware combination without any registered SA_SAMPLE_RANDOM
> IRQs (i.e. headless, no IDE, no NICs with SA_SAMPLE_RANDOM IRQs).
> This configuration is not hard to imagine for, say, a dedicated
> server appliance or embedded device.
So we then have two options, one of which is required if we are going to be able
to get any random numbers from this box:
1) if we contact some server to boot or to mount filesystems, we can also slurp
up some seed values from that server.
2) we enable all NIC drivers to collect entropy
In the case you describe, I don't see any other options. Without one of these
paths, /dev/random will block, and /dev/urandom will be predictable.
Chris
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-08-22 13:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-08-16 4:36 [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-16 4:40 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16 4:42 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16 4:43 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16 4:44 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16 8:50 ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 14:50 ` Robert Love
2001-08-16 17:02 ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 19:28 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16 20:19 ` D. Stimits
2001-08-17 0:47 ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 22:56 ` D. Stimits
2001-08-18 5:57 ` Robert Love
2001-08-18 17:44 ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-18 23:41 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 0:38 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19 3:33 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 3:49 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 7:17 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2001-08-19 18:46 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 3:12 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 3:36 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 3:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19 3:57 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 3:56 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 14:43 ` lists
2001-08-19 21:34 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:08 ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:18 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:30 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-19 22:38 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:46 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-20 13:25 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 19:48 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21 8:50 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 7:49 ` David Lang
2001-08-21 9:21 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 10:06 ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' (better timing in random.c) Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 18:31 ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:53 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 18:29 ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:50 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 21:57 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 17:08 ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 18:02 ` David Madore
2001-08-19 23:47 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 21:19 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:24 ` David Ford
2001-08-20 10:02 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 10:34 ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 10:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 13:07 ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 13:57 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:25 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21 1:11 ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-21 1:36 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21 9:43 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21 9:59 ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 17:19 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21 18:33 ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 4:33 ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:15 ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:36 ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 6:10 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22 6:26 ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 17:27 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22 8:54 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-22 13:47 ` Chris Friesen [this message]
2001-08-19 20:58 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:19 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 22:29 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 2:26 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-20 23:08 ` Tom Rini
2001-08-17 0:47 ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-17 14:34 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-17 0:47 ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 9:05 ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-17 15:00 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
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2001-08-21 2:14 ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Andi Kleen
2001-08-21 3:02 ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21 3:12 ` Andi Kleen
2001-08-21 3:16 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21 13:34 ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21 18:38 ` David Wagner
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