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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Deadlock on the mm->mmap_sem
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:49:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BA718B2.30F9E7C9@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <001701c13fc2$cda19a90$010411ac@local> <200109172339.f8HNd5W13244@penguin.transmeta.com> <20010918020139.B698@athlon.random> <000901c14014$494f9380$010411ac@local> <20010918095549.T698@athlon.random>

Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 09:31:40AM +0200, Manfred Spraul wrote:
> > From: "Andrea Arcangeli" <andrea@suse.de>
> > > > The mmap semaphore is a read-write semaphore, and it _is_
> > permissible to
> > > > call "copy_to_user()" and friends while holding the read lock.
> > > >
> > > > The bug appears to be in the implementation of the write semaphore -
> > > > down_write() doesn't undestand that blocked writes must not block
> > new
> > > > readers, exactly because of this situation.
> > >
> > > Exactly, same reason for which we need the same property from the rw
> > > spinlocks (to be allowed to read_lock without clearing irqs). Thanks
> > so
> > > much for reminding me about this! Unfortunately my rwsemaphores are
> > > blocking readers at the first down_write (for the better fairness
> > > property issuse, but I obviously forgotten that doing so I would
> > > introduce such a deadlock).
> >
> > i386 has a fair rwsemaphore, too - probably other archs must be modified
> > as well.
> 
> yes, actually my patch was against the rwsem patch in -aa, and in -aa
> I'm using the generic semaphores for all archs in the tree so it fixes
> the race for all them. The mainline semaphores are slightly different.

> if that's the very only place that could be a viable option but OTOH I
> like to be allowed to use recursion on the read locks as with the
> spinlocks. I think another option would be to have reacursion allowed on
> the default read locks and then make a down_read_fair that will block at
> if there's a down_write under us. we can very cleanly implement this,
> the same can be done cleanly also for the spinlocks: read_lock_fair. One
> can even mix the read_lock/read_lock_fair or the
> down_read/down_read_fair together. For example assuming we use the
> recursive semaphore fix in proc_pid_read_maps the down_read over there
> could be converted to a down_read_fair (but that's just an exercise, if
> the page fault isn't fair it doesn't worth to have proc_pid_read_maps
> fair either).

Be careful; If another user can grab your semaphore for read for a short 
time (eg for "top" or similar usage), he can construct several threads
that
do this in a busy loop; the end result is that this evil user is capable
of blocking out writers FOREVER if semaphores are unfair; nice DoS....

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-18  9:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-17 21:50 Deadlock on the mm->mmap_sem Manfred Spraul
2001-09-17 23:39 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found] ` <200109172339.f8HNd5W13244@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-09-18  0:01   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-18  7:31     ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-18  7:55       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-18  8:18         ` David Howells
2001-09-18  9:32         ` David Howells
2001-09-18  9:37         ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-18  9:49         ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2001-09-18 12:53         ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-18 14:13           ` David Howells
2001-09-18 14:49             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-18 15:26               ` David Howells
2001-09-18 15:46                 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-18 15:11             ` David Howells
2001-09-18 16:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-19  9:51               ` David Howells
2001-09-19 12:49                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 14:08               ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-19 14:51               ` David Howells
2001-09-19 15:18                 ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-19 14:53               ` David Howells
2001-09-19 18:03                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 18:16                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-19 18:27                     ` David Howells
2001-09-19 18:48                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 18:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 21:14                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-19 22:07                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 18:19                   ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-20  2:07                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20  4:37                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20  7:05                       ` David Howells
2001-09-20  7:19                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20  8:01                           ` David Howells
2001-09-20  8:09                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 18:26                   ` David Howells
2001-09-19 18:47                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 23:25                       ` David Howells
2001-09-19 23:34                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 23:46                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-19 23:24                 ` [PATCH] attempt #2 (Re: Deadlock on the mm->mmap_sem) David Howells
2001-09-19 14:58               ` Deadlock on the mm->mmap_sem David Howells
     [not found] <masp0008@stud.uni-sb.de>
2001-09-20 10:57 ` Studierende der Universitaet des Saarlandes
2001-09-20 12:40   ` David Howells
2001-09-20 18:24   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20 21:43     ` Manfred Spraul
2001-09-22 21:06     ` Manfred Spraul
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-09-18 13:22 Ulrich Weigand
2001-09-17 20:57 Ulrich Weigand

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