From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>
Cc: "Andrea Arcangeli" <andrea@suse.de>,
"Robert Love" <rml@tech9.net>,
"Dieter Nützel" <Dieter.Nuetzel@hamburg.de>,
"Chris Mason" <mason@suse.com>,
"Beau Kuiper" <kuib-kl@ljbc.wa.edu.au>,
"Linux Kernel List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"ReiserFS List" <reiserfs-list@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Significant performace improvements on reiserfs systems
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:20:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BAA95E0.5BEB8990@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010920170812.CCCACE641B@ns1.suse.com> <3BAA29C2.A9718F49@zip.com.au> <1001019170.6090.134.camel@phantasy> <200109202112.f8KLCXG16849@zero.tech9.net> <1001024694.6048.246.camel@phantasy> <20010921003742.I729@athlon.random> <1001026597.6048.278.camel@phantasy> <20010921011514.M729@athlon.random> <3BAA8BDA.5EED2879@mvista.com>
george anzinger wrote:
>
> ...
> Actually, I rather think that the problem is lock granularity. These
> issues are present in the SMP systems as well. A good solution would be
> one that shortened the spinlock time. No horrid preempt code, just
> tight fast code.
>
This may not be practical.
Take, for example, zap_page_range(). It simply has a lot
of work to do, and it does it inside a spinlock. By doing
it in a tight loop, it's optimal.
There is no way to speed this function up by two or three orders
of magnitude. (Well, there is: don't take the lock at all if
the mm isn't shared, but this is merely an example. There are
other instances).
It seems that for a preemptive kernel to be successful, we need
to globally alter the kernel so that it never holds locks for
more than 500 microseconds. Which is what the conditional_schedule()
(aka cooperative multitasking :)) patches do.
It seems that there are no magic bullets, and low latency will
forever have a global impact on kernel design, unless a way is
found to reschedule with locks held. I recall that a large
part of the MontaVista patch involved turning spinlocks into
semaphores, yes? That would seem to be the way to go.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-09-21 1:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20010920170812.CCCACE641B@ns1.suse.com>
2001-09-20 17:19 ` [PATCH] Significant performace improvements on reiserfs systems Chris Mason
2001-09-20 17:39 ` Andrew Morton
2001-09-20 20:52 ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 21:11 ` Dieter Nützel
[not found] ` <200109202112.f8KLCXG16849@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-20 22:24 ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 22:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20 22:56 ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 23:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20 23:41 ` Robert Love
2001-09-21 0:37 ` george anzinger
2001-09-21 1:20 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2001-09-21 3:14 ` Robert Love
2001-09-21 9:32 ` [reiserfs-list] " Nikita Danilov
2001-09-21 12:18 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-21 12:31 ` Nikita Danilov
2001-09-23 23:49 ` Rusty Russell
2001-09-20 18:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20 18:58 ` Andrew Morton
2001-09-20 19:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] <200109201708.f8KH8sG15617@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-20 20:48 ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 17:08 Dieter Nützel
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