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From: Dan Kegel <dank@kegel.com>
To: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Gordon Oliver <gordo@pincoya.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /dev/epoll update ...
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:16:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BAEB39B.DE7932CF@kegel.com> (raw)

Gordon Oliver <gordo@pincoya.com> wrote:
> But you missed the obvious optimization of doing an f_ops->poll when
> the file is _added_. This means that you'll get an initial event when
> there is data ready. ...

Note that you can do that in userspace by calling poll(), btw.  That
gets you down to a single extra system call initially.

> Note that it has the additional advantage of making the dispatch code
> in the user application easier. You no longer have to do special code
> to handle the speculative read after adding the fd.

As Davide points out in his reply, /dev/epoll is an exact clone of
the O_SETSIG/O_SETOWN/O_ASYNC realtime signal way of getting readiness
change events, but using a memory-mapped buffer instead of signal delivery
(and obeying an interest mask).  Unlike /dev/poll, it only provides
information about *changes* in readiness.

Everyone who has successfully written code using the O_SETSIG/O_SETOWN/O_ASYNC
code knows that it does not send an initial state event.  This has not
gotten in the way, as a rule.

If it does turn out to be Very Important for these single-shot readiness
notification schemes to generate synthetic initial readiness events,
it should be added both to /dev/epoll and to O_SETSIG/O_SETOWN/O_ASYNC.

I think there is still some confusion out there because of the name
Davide chose; /dev/epoll is so close to /dev/poll that it lulls many
people (myself included) into thinking it's a very similar thing.  It ain't.
(I really have to fix my c10k page to reflect that correctly...)
- Dan

             reply	other threads:[~2001-09-24  4:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-24  4:16 Dan Kegel [this message]
2001-09-24 19:11 ` [PATCH] /dev/epoll update Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-24 19:34   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 20:09     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 21:56       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:08         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 22:09           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:20             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 22:21               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:30                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-25  9:25             ` Dan Kegel
     [not found] ` <3BAF83EF.C8018E45@distributopia.com>
2001-09-25  8:12   ` Dan Kegel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-20  3:49 [patch] " Davide Libenzi
     [not found] <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BB03C6A.7D1DD7B3@kegel.com>
     [not found] ` <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BAEB39B.DE7932CF@kegel.com>
     [not found]   ` <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BAF83EF.C8018E45@distributopia.com>
2001-09-25 17:36     ` [PATCH] " Jonathan Lemon
2001-09-25 18:34       ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-21  6:22 Dan Kegel
2001-09-21 18:45 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19  2:20 Dan Kegel
2001-09-19  6:25 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-19  7:04 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 15:37   ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-19 15:59     ` Zach Brown
2001-09-19 17:12     ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 17:39     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 18:26     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 17:25   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 19:03     ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 19:30       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 21:49         ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 22:11           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 23:24             ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 23:52               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  2:13             ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-20  2:28               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  3:03                 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-20 16:58                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  4:32                 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-20  4:43                   ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-20  5:05                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-20 18:25                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 19:33                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-20 19:58                           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 17:18                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24  0:11                     ` Gordon Oliver
2001-09-24  0:33                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 19:23                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-24 20:04                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-21  5:59             ` Ton Hospel
2001-09-21 16:48               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-07 19:27 Davide Libenzi

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