From: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@idb.hist.no>
Cc: Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: low-latency patches
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 10:41:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BC1E53E.2A67202A@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011006010519.A749@draal.physics.wisc.edu> <3BBEA8CF.D2A4BAA8@zip.com.au> <20011006150024.C2625@mikef-linux.matchmail.com> <3BC1A062.6E953751@idb.hist.no>
Helge Hafting wrote:
>
> Mike Fedyk wrote:
> >On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 11:46:39PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > But the next rank of applications - instrumentation, control systems,
> > > media production sytems, etc require 500-1000 usec latencies, and
> > > the group of people who require this is considerably smaller. And their
> > > requirements are quite aggressive. And maintaining that performance
> > > with either approach is a fair bit of work and impacts (by definition)
> > > the while kernel. That's all an argument for keeping it offstream.
> > >
> >
> > And exactly how is low latency going to hurt the majority?
> >
> > This reminds me of when 4GB on ia32 was enough, or 16 bit UIDs, or...
>
> Low latency wobviously won't do damage by itself. But Andrew Morton
> said it well: "And maintaining that performance
> with either approach is a fair bit of work and impacts (by definition)
> the whole kernel."
>
> I.e. it is too much work to get right (and keep right). The amount
> of developers is finite, their time can be better spent on other
> improvements. All future improvement will be harder if we also have
> to _maintain_ extreme low latency. This is not fix-it-once thing.
>
Well, no, but do we want to improve as kernel writers, or just stay
"hackers"? If low latency was a concern the same way lack of dead locks
and avoiding OOPs is today, don't you think we would be better coders?
As for me, I want to shoot for the higher goal. Even if I miss, I will
still have accomplished more than if I had shot for the mundane.
George
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-08 17:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-06 6:05 low-latency patches Bob McElrath
2001-10-06 6:46 ` Andrew Morton
2001-10-06 16:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-10-06 20:42 ` Bob McElrath
2001-10-06 22:00 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-06 22:22 ` Robert Love
2001-10-08 12:47 ` Helge Hafting
2001-10-08 17:41 ` george anzinger [this message]
2001-10-08 18:24 ` Andrew Morton
2001-10-08 18:36 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-07 1:12 ` Robert Love
2001-10-07 2:38 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-10-07 2:55 ` Robert Love
2001-10-06 22:36 ` Robert Love
2001-10-06 22:46 ` Mike Fedyk
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-10 15:27 David Balazic
2001-03-08 13:06 Andrew Morton
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