From: "Paul G. Allen" <pgallen@randomlogic.com>
To: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:02:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BD64B78.1C5A5ECA@randomlogic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011022122722.A369@top.worldcontrol.com> <E15vlmG-0003Ff-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20011022174502.B29445@hapablap.dyn.dhs.org> <20011022160749.B5343@mikef-linux.matchmail.com>
Mike Fedyk wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 05:45:02PM -0500, Steven Walter wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:34:28PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 01:29:14PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > > > "Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after
> > > > > they have rebelled they cannot become conscious."
> > > >
> > > > While I've been generally saddened by Alan Cox's and others
> > > > anti-America attitude, I am somewhat surprised to find that
> > > > Alan believes the US bombing of Afghanistan is justified and so
> > > > is the collateral damage as they call it.
> > >
> > > That quote is rather older than the US bombing of Afghanistan. You read
> > > totally inappropriate things into it.
> >
> > Certainly, it is not. This statement applies to Afghanistan, in that
> > the fact that they have not rebelled means they imply consent to
> > everything their government does, and therefore are just as guilty as
> > the Taliban. Therefore, killing civilians (collateral damage) is no
> > worse than killing terrorists or Taliban officials. This is a stance I
> > can easily subscribe to, not just with Afghanistan but with any people,
> > nation, state, or country.
>
> And how is someone from a forien country going to see just how much or how
> little you have rebelled against the DMCA? We allowed the law to be passed
> so now we should take the blame?
No, "we" did not allow the law to pass. It was passed under our noses and is now being interpreted poorly. The DMCA does not remove our rights under copyright
law as written, but it has removed them as interpreted. The interpretation of the written law is the dangerous thing, not the actual written law. Chances are
the DMCA will stand until the US Supreme Court hears a case and makes the proper decision.
The DMCA and laws like it are meant for one thing: to allow entertainment companies to control what we see/read/hear, how we see/read/hear it, where, and when
we see/read/hear it. Since the networks in this country are run by the very same companies that propose and lobby for these laws, we never hear about them
through these channels. The public at large never has a clue until it's too late. Then we get to suffer until the law is overturned (hopefully).
>
> Like some have already said, we have politicians that promise one thing, and
> do whatever the hell they want after they're in office. It depends on how
> much they stick to their promisses when comes election time in 2-4 years
> that determines wheather they stay there...
Politicians are allowed to do as they please by the pundits who continue to vote for them, or not vote at all. It also occurs because the same people can't seem
to realize why politicians do this. Short term limits force them to do what the corporations they represent tell them to so that they'll have a job once they
are no longer politicians. The lame idea that we must allow campaign contributions at all allows these same corporations to easily grease their palms. The
public at large seems to think there are only two political parties and there is no other alternative. And it is extremely rare that anyone knows what the law
really is in any given situation, even though it is easily accessed via library or Internet.
Throw in the ridiculous complacency of most Americans, the programming that tells us "I can't make a difference, so why bother.", the lack of understanding of
how the law really works (and it does work well when people know how it works - been there, done that), and the general "I don't give a damn about my neighbor
or my kids." attitude, and we get what we deserve. What we have is a government run by, and for, corporations, and fewer and fewer freedoms than our
Constitution garnets as a result. Usually the Supreme Court fixes these things in time, but in the mean time we're screwed, blued, and tattooed.
Now, as for the DMCA bad SSSCA as it pertains to those outside the US. The FBI operates outside the US. The US has great influence on many countries. Don't
think for a minute that a law passed here will never, ever effect you in your own country. We all live on the same planet and with this "New World Order" crap
we, more and more, are dependent upon each other. Unless we all work together, ping our own governments and publicly pressure them, things will only get worse.
The saying "You can't fight City Hall." is very true if you do it alone, but if you make a spectacle of them, public pressure will far outweigh corporate or
special interest money.
Note also that the SSSCA will destroy most all GPL software in the US. It will also harm the Internet as a whole in a LARGE way because Apache, OpenSSH, Linux,
etc. will become illegal. Companies such as mine will be forced to find alternative ways to run their network. In case you are not aware, most likely you use
Akamai servers every day when you browse the Internet (we have over 12,000 servers in 53+ countries on over 300 networks). Most of our servers run Linux,
OpenSSH, and Apache/Apache SSL (using OpenSSL), as well as Perl and many, many GPL programs. Take all those away, or impose licensing and other costs on them,
and the Internet is a much different, and more expensive, place. Whether it realizes it or not, the SSSCA will greatly harm the US government itself.
I for one will not submit to the SSSCA and DMCA or any other such law that removes any of my constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. I do not vote for either of
the main parties and have a reputation for bitching and moaning to lawyers, law makers, and other authorities whenever my freedom is threatened. I guess it's in
my blood to do so, considering my ancestors did the same when this country was founded. Would that more Americans did the same.
PGA
--
Paul G. Allen
UNIX Admin II/Programmer
Akamai Technologies, Inc.
www.akamai.com
Work: (858)909-3630
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-24 4:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-22 10:21 Linux 2.2.20pre10 Alan Cox
2001-10-22 10:37 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 11:35 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:55 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:06 ` Matthias Andree
2001-10-22 12:29 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 13:24 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 19:27 ` brian
2001-10-22 19:39 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:04 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-22 20:44 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-23 5:56 ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-10-27 16:18 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 20:34 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 22:45 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:07 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:24 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-24 5:02 ` Paul G. Allen [this message]
2001-10-22 23:39 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-22 23:47 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:58 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-23 1:40 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-23 1:01 ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-23 1:35 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-23 3:55 ` Nicholas Dronen
2001-10-22 23:57 ` Sam Vilain
2001-10-22 23:04 ` David Ford
2001-10-22 23:15 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 23:32 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:38 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 12:08 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:25 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:37 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 13:33 ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 18:21 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:29 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 16:30 ` [OT] " dean gaudet
2001-10-22 18:14 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:24 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:44 ` Leaving the planet [Was Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10] Sam Vilain
2001-10-22 13:07 ` Linux 2.2.20pre10 Roger Gammans
2001-10-22 13:30 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 16:11 ` David Lang
2001-10-22 14:11 ` Danny ter Haar
2001-10-22 16:20 ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 16:34 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 16:52 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 19:39 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 19:49 ` Doug McNaught
2001-10-22 20:51 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:07 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 23:30 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23 0:41 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23 0:42 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-10-22 19:56 ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:21 ` linux-kernel-legal? was (Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10) Mr. Shannon Aldinger
2001-10-22 21:32 ` linux-kernel-legal? was David S. Miller
2001-10-22 20:59 ` Linux 2.2.20pre10 Jussi Laako
2001-10-22 21:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2001-10-22 22:10 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:16 ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-23 13:21 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 16:49 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:16 ` Greg Hennessy
2001-10-22 19:35 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 16:30 ` Andreas D. Landmark
2001-10-22 19:43 ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:14 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 21:30 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-10-24 8:18 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-24 17:45 ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 19:28 ` Gavin Baker
2001-10-22 10:40 ` Allan Sandfeld
2001-10-22 17:31 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-10-27 15:57 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 10:41 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-10-22 10:52 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:05 ` Linux 2.2.20pre11 Greg KH
2001-10-22 17:23 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:30 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-22 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:52 ` Eli Carter
2001-10-24 22:41 ` Linux 2.2.20pre10 Rik van Riel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-26 20:26 Fabian Svara
2001-10-26 18:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 12:31 Jesse Pollard
2001-10-23 3:45 Thomas Hood
2001-10-23 2:48 Patrick Chase
2001-10-22 23:40 Carsten Kuckuk
2001-10-22 23:06 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:35 Craig Dickson
2001-10-23 0:53 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23 1:08 ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 23:30 Thomas Hood
2001-10-22 23:45 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 23:56 ` David Weinehall
2001-10-23 0:40 ` Chris Gomez
2001-10-23 16:21 ` Jonathan Amery
2001-10-22 22:20 Leif Sawyer
[not found] <fa.mf0j8bv.1e5o8jq@ifi.uio.no>
2001-10-22 22:15 ` Sam Varshavchik
2001-10-22 22:12 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 22:26 ` Kilobug
2001-10-22 21:07 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:57 Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:07 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:21 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:23 ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:32 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 22:13 ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 22:22 ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-10-22 23:25 ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-22 23:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-23 16:27 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-10-23 1:59 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-23 4:36 ` CaT
2001-10-23 10:50 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 17:36 ` Paul Jakma
2001-10-23 18:25 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-22 21:37 ` Bob Glamm
2001-10-22 22:02 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:17 ` Pedro Corte-Real
2001-10-22 23:02 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 21:27 ` ogd116
2001-10-22 21:37 ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:43 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:58 ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-22 22:04 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:48 ` ognen
2001-10-22 20:27 PinkFreud
2001-10-22 20:30 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:42 ` PinkFreud
2001-10-22 22:57 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-22 21:17 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23 0:11 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23 10:00 ` Marco Colombo
2001-10-22 20:22 Torrey Hoffman
2001-10-22 20:37 ` Tommy Reynolds
2001-10-22 19:58 Rogier Wolff
2001-10-22 20:28 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-10-22 18:59 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:01 ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 18:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:38 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 18:40 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-22 19:23 ` Paul Fulghum
2001-10-22 19:14 ` Tudor Bosman
2001-10-22 19:42 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 19:55 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 21:12 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:35 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:49 ` David Weinehall
2001-10-22 23:29 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 23:49 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23 1:32 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:04 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 19:00 ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 23:19 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 18:13 Per Jessen
2001-10-24 13:27 ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 17:51 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:52 ` Kilobug
2001-10-23 6:29 ` Yoann Vandoorselaere
2001-10-22 18:41 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-10-22 19:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2001-10-22 17:21 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 17:35 ` George Garvey
2001-10-22 17:46 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 17:57 ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 19:45 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 20:17 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:51 ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 15:11 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 15:42 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 16:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-11 23:06 Alan Cox
2001-09-12 8:01 ` Roberto Nibali
2001-09-12 8:08 ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12 8:36 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-09-12 8:38 ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12 8:21 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-09-17 6:08 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-17 12:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 15:04 ` Nicolas Turro
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