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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: Stephen Satchell <satch@concentric.net>
Cc: "Jakob Østergaard" <jakob@unthought.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Daniel Kobras" <kobras@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de>,
	"Tim Jansen" <tim@tjansen.de>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc  stuff])
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:38:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BE83C39.4040807@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011105144112.Q11619@pasky.ji.cz> <E15zF9H-0000NL-00@wagner> <160MMf-1ptGtMC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com> <20011104143631.B1162@pelks01.extern.uni-tuebingen.de> <160Nyq-2ACgt6C@fmrl07.sul.t-online.com> <20011104163354.C14001@unthought.net> <20011105144112.Q11619@pasky.ji.cz> <4.3.2.7.2.20011106093248.00bea990@10.1.1.42>



Stephen Satchell wrote:


> The /proc API was developed to solve a specific problem.  Now, people 
> have proposed and The Powers That Be have accepted extensions to the 
> /proc interface as a superior way to tune the kernel, particularly from 
> shell scripts, and to monitor the kernel, again from shell scripts.  
> It's a good thing, actually, in that it preserves the best of the Unix 
> mentality:  don't re-invent, reuse.


I definately like this approach....


> The RIGHT tool to fix the problem is the pen, not the coding pad.  I 
> hereby pick up that pen and put forth version 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 of the 
> Rules of /Proc:
> 
> 1)  IT SHOULD NOT BE PRETTY.  No tabs to line up columns.  No "progress 
> bars."  No labels except as "proc comments" (see later).  No in-line 
> labelling.


Tabs and/or multiple spaces should not be any harder to parse than
a single space, so I don't necessarily see the need to restrict them.



> 3)  All integral decimal values shall be assumed by both programs and 
> humans to consist of any number of bits.  [C'mon, people, dealing with 
> 64-bit or 128-bit numbers is NOT HARD.  If you don't know how, LEARN.  
> bc(1) can provide hints on how to do this -- use the Source, Luke.]  
> Numbers shall contain decimal digits [0-9] only.  Zero-padding is allowed.


Sometimes HEX is the best way to display things.  I think we should be
able to use 0xAABBCCDD type formatting.  The key here is to always prefix
with 0x so we can parse it correctly.




-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>       <Ben_Greear AT excite.com>
President of Candela Technologies Inc      http://www.candelatech.com
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-06 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 253+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-01 10:32 [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Rusty Russell
2001-11-01 10:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-01 16:49   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-01 17:06   ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-02  1:42   ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02  1:56     ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-02 11:44       ` Padraig Brady
2001-11-02  9:11     ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 12:39       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-02 11:57         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 13:55         ` Keith Owens
2001-11-02 15:08           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-04  5:36         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-02 12:46       ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-11-01 12:06 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-01 18:34   ` James Simmons
2001-11-02  2:20   ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02 13:59     ` Tim Jansen
     [not found]       ` <20011103103106.7eb6098b.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2001-11-03 11:47         ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-03 23:44           ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-04  1:40     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04  2:08       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 12:30         ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 13:36           ` Daniel Kobras
2001-11-04 14:13             ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 15:33               ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:05                 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-04 16:31                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:30                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:45                 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 17:28                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:41                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 17:54                       ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-04 20:45                         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 17:59                       ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:31                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:40                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:04                             ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:24                               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 19:45                                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:52                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:06                                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:01                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:12                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 21:20                                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 21:42                                       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 22:13                                       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:23                                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 15:58                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 18:30                                             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 23:00                                               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06 13:47                                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 17:13                                                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-11-05 16:38                                         ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 18:39                                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 18:28                                             ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 18:40                                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-05 21:03                                                 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 21:58                                                   ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 22:51                                                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:59                                                       ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-05 23:35                                                         ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:41                                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:49                                                             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 19:49                                                         ` dank
2001-11-06 22:22                                                           ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:47                                                             ` dank
2001-11-06 23:11                                                               ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 23:39                                                               ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-07 12:45                                                             ` Remco Post
2001-11-07  1:06                                                           ` George Greer
2001-11-05 19:58                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 21:43                                           ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06  5:22                                             ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-11-04 21:22                                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-05  4:03                                   ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05  4:05                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05  4:55                                     ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05 16:32                                       ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-06  6:46                                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:29                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:50                                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:01                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:09                                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06  7:23                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 14:00                                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:27                       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:35                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:39                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-07  1:20                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07 21:14                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-01  0:13                             ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-04 18:20                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:30                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:52                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:18                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:41                         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:06                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 10:28                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:46                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06  0:54                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06  1:11                               ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-04 18:46                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:07                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-04 19:20                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:32                         ` Dave Jones
2001-11-04 19:52                           ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:06                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:11                               ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-11 10:06                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-11 19:43                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-12 13:43                                     ` Pascal Schmidt
2001-11-13 12:09                                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-13 14:41                                     ` Riley Williams
2001-11-04 22:09                       ` Luigi Genoni
2001-11-04 17:48                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:02                     ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:34                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:59                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:19                         ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:24                           ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:41                             ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:55                               ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:13                                 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 20:11                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:47                                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 21:02                                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:53                                   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 11:04                 ` zmwillow
2001-11-05 13:41                 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 20:49                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:01                     ` Ben Greear
     [not found]                     ` <20011105223413.U11619@pasky.ji.cz>
     [not found]                       ` <160rly-1tl3XUC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com>
2001-11-05 22:07                         ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06  7:25                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06  8:21                     ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06  8:34                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:43                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 17:01                         ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06 18:56                   ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]) Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06 19:38                     ` Ben Greear [this message]
2001-11-06 20:12                     ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 20:58                       ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2001-11-06 21:43                         ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-06 22:14                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07  0:33                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  7:20                               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07  8:07                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07 17:24                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 17:22                                   ` Blue Lang
2001-11-07 19:21                                     ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-11 10:27                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-08  0:47                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-08 18:53                                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-08 21:28                                       ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-09  5:15                                       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-19 19:22                                       ` bill davidsen
2001-11-07  0:13                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07  0:40                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  1:10                             ` Ricky Beam
     [not found]                               ` <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111061947540.17287-100000@sweetums.bluetronic.ne t>
2001-11-07  1:17                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 11:32                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07 12:35                           ` Remco Post
2001-11-07 23:53                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07 22:24                           ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-11-07 23:15                             ` Phil Howard
2001-11-06 21:24                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-06 21:45                         ` Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 22:06                         ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-06 22:28                         ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:33                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:42                             ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:49                               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:53                               ` Patrick Mochel
2001-11-06 22:52                                 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:46                             ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 22:50                               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-07  0:17                             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 22:53                       ` J . A . Magallon
2001-11-05 19:55                 ` PROPOSAL: kernfs (was: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc st Kai Henningsen
2001-11-05  0:12       ` [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Rusty Russell
2001-11-05  3:34         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:48           ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-06 10:25             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06 15:46             ` Theodore Tso
2001-11-07 23:35               ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-05 16:49         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 20:46           ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:04             ` Greg KH
2001-11-05 22:19               ` Tim Jansen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-24 17:42 RFC: booleans and the kernel Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 18:22 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-24 18:33   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:34   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:43     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:47       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:46     ` Ingo Oeser
2002-01-24 19:52 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:06     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:14       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:23       ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:25         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:35           ` John Levon
2002-01-24 20:15     ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:21   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 20:39     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 21:55       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 21:57         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 22:05         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 22:13         ` Robert Love
2002-01-25 21:24       ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:31         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-25 21:43           ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:50             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 15:07                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-01-25 15:21                   ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-25 16:45                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 22:19             ` Robert Love
2002-01-25 22:30               ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 22:36                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 22:38                 ` Robert Love
2002-01-25 22:44                   ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25  3:52                     ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2002-01-25 20:39                       ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-01-25 23:07                       ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-25  6:36                     ` Kai Henningsen
     [not found]                       ` <200201250900.g0P8xoL10082@home.ashavan.org.>
2002-01-25 19:02                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-27  1:33                           ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-26  2:56                             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-01-27 11:18                               ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-29  6:36                           ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-24 22:33         ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25 22:47           ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 22:53             ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:59             ` Robert Love
2002-01-25 23:09               ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 23:27                 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25  6:13                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25  8:00                     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-25 10:51                       ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25 16:11                     ` Olivier Galibert
2002-01-26  7:22                     ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25  7:48                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 23:49                         ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-27 11:27                           ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25  1:16                 ` John Levon
2002-01-25 11:07         ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-24 22:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-24 22:44   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-26 10:22     ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-25  2:00 ` Erik Andersen

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