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From: "François Cami" <stilgar2k@wanadoo.fr>
To: war <war@starband.net>
Cc: James A Sutherland <jas88@cam.ac.uk>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Swap
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:42:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BF82B3C.8070303@wanadoo.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3BF82443.5D3E2E11@starband.net> <E165ZRi-000718-00@mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk> <3BF827E1.5A2C7427@starband.net>


I don't understand why it should be better with swap then... I mean,
my comp seems to run so much faster (it doesn't take time to switch
from one app to another, i mean) *without* swap.
And I see no benefits to having an active swap, other than making my
hard drive work harder.

comp is PIII933/512MB on ATA100
kernel is 2.4.14 with XFS patch.

François


war wrote:

> Well, without the swap, everything seems to be about 100% more responsive when
> I execute any task.
> I see how it works now.
> 
> James A Sutherland wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Sunday 18 November 2001 9:12 pm, war wrote:
>>
>>>It is amazing that I could run all of that stuff, because:
>>>
>>>When I have swap on, and if I run all of those programs, 200-400MB of
>>>swap is used.
>>>
>>Yep. There's a reason for that: the kernel is *ALWAYS* able to swap pages out
>>to disk - even without "swap space". Disabling swapspace simply forces the
>>kernel to swap out more code, since it cannot swap out any data.
>>
>>(This is why you can still get "disk thrashing" without any swap - in fact,
>>it's more likely in this case than it is with some swap added - you are just
>>forcing your binaries to take more of the swapping load instead.)
>>
>>So: with swapspace, the kernel swaps out a few hundred Mb of unused data, to
>>make room for more code. Without it, the kernel is forced to swap out code
>>pages instead. The big news here is...?
>>
>>James.
>>
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-18 21:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-18 21:12 Swap war
2001-11-18 21:25 ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 21:28   ` Swap war
2001-11-18 21:42     ` François Cami [this message]
2001-11-18 21:45       ` Swap war
2001-11-18 23:03       ` Swap Erik Gustavsson
2001-11-19 18:12         ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-19 18:43           ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20  2:49             ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  3:33               ` Swap Ryan Cumming
2001-11-20 11:43                 ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 11:41               ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 19:12           ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-20  2:47             ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  9:16               ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 22:05   ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 22:21     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 22:36     ` Swap Charles Marslett
2001-11-18 22:54       ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 23:36     ` Swap Bernd Eckenfels
     [not found] <fa.inl6g6v.1mmbp4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.heevhav.sjs8an@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-18 22:15   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-18 22:43     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-19  9:18       ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 10:51         ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 13:33           ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 13:46             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 16:58               ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191458150.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:13                   ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 21:17                     ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191917000.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:52                         ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 16:36             ` Swap Jesse Pollard
2001-11-20 14:51             ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-20 16:01               ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-20 16:06                 ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 16:12                 ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 16:20                 ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 17:14                   ` Swap Christopher Friesen
2001-11-20 17:40                     ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 18:14                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 10:17                         ` Swap Helge Hafting
2001-11-21 11:17                           ` Swap Alan Cox
2001-11-20 23:20                       ` Swap Luigi Genoni
2001-11-21 16:44                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 17:58                     ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-20 21:05                     ` Swap Steffen Persvold
2001-11-20 21:18                       ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:33                         ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 21:44                           ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 22:00                             ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:53                             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 21:43                         ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 21:19                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:48                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 20:58               ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-19 10:03       ` Swap Tim Connors
2001-11-19 10:16         ` Swap Dan Maas
     [not found] <fa.kmf405v.j74f21@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ns5ugpv.q02sbg@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 21:26   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 22:05     ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:11       ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 22:19         ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:34           ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:05             ` Swap Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <fa.jc73ejv.1s6e80t@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-21  1:45               ` Swap Håvard Kvålen
2001-11-21  4:23                 ` Swap Andreas Dilger
2001-11-20 22:23         ` Swap Andrew Morton
2001-11-20 23:01           ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 23:35             ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 23:40               ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-21  0:19                 ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-21  0:21                   ` Swap David S. Miller
     [not found] <fa.kb6ct7v.pgku0d@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.k8qdvcv.184ak2l@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 22:46   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:17     ` Swap Trond Myklebust

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