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From: "François Cami" <stilgar2k@wanadoo.fr>
To: Dan Maas <dmaas@dcine.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Swap
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:43:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BF839AA.4050508@wanadoo.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa.inl6g6v.1mmbp4@ifi.uio.no> <fa.heevhav.sjs8an@ifi.uio.no> <053d01c1707e$8c941630$1a01a8c0@allyourbase>

Dan Maas wrote:


> Still, it puzzles me why a system with no swap space would appear to be more
> responsive than one with swap (assuming their working sets are quite a bit
> smaller than total amount of RAM)... Can you do a controlled test somehow,
> to rule out any sort of placebo effect?

It's pretty simple... Try putting as much progs as you can into RAM
(but less than total RAM size) when you have RAM+swap.
Switching from one prog to another now takes time, because if you need
to go e.g. from mozilla to openoffice for example, if openoffice has
been swapped, it'll take ages.

Another good example is launching X and a few heavy X apps, going back
to console, doing a few things, like compiling different kernel trees.
If you have swap, the X + X apps will be swapped. going back to X will
take ages, because all that data + code has to be moved out to RAM to
cache the data in the two kernel trees.
If you don't have swap, maybe one, or both of the two kernel trees
will end up being not cached into main memory, depending on how much
RAM left you have. but going back to X will take 1 second instead of 20,
and thus the system will be more responsive.

It depends clearly on the situation you're in. I believe running with
swap is beneficial when your memory load is more than 75% of total
RAM, and less so when you have a few hundred megs of RAM left with all
useful apps loaded into RAM (which is not too unlikely these days,
due to the low price of SD/DDR RAM).

François


  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-18 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.inl6g6v.1mmbp4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.heevhav.sjs8an@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-18 22:15   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-18 22:43     ` François Cami [this message]
2001-11-19  9:18       ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 10:51         ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 13:33           ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 13:46             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 16:58               ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191458150.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:13                   ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 21:17                     ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191917000.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:52                         ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 16:36             ` Swap Jesse Pollard
2001-11-20 14:51             ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-20 16:01               ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-20 16:06                 ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 16:12                 ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 16:20                 ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 17:14                   ` Swap Christopher Friesen
2001-11-20 17:40                     ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 18:14                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 10:17                         ` Swap Helge Hafting
2001-11-21 11:17                           ` Swap Alan Cox
2001-11-20 23:20                       ` Swap Luigi Genoni
2001-11-21 16:44                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 17:58                     ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-26 21:51                       ` [Linux-abi-devel] Swap Christoph Hellwig
2001-11-20 21:05                     ` Swap Steffen Persvold
2001-11-20 21:18                       ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:33                         ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 21:44                           ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 22:00                             ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:53                             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 21:43                         ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 21:50                           ` NFS, Paging & Installing [was: Re: Swap] Mike Fedyk
2001-11-21  1:22                             ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-21  1:46                               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-21 10:55                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-11-22  5:16                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-11-22 12:19                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2001-11-23 19:33                                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:19                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:48                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 20:58               ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-19 10:03       ` Swap Tim Connors
2001-11-19 10:16         ` Swap Dan Maas
     [not found] <fa.kb6ct7v.pgku0d@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.k8qdvcv.184ak2l@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 22:46   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:17     ` Swap Trond Myklebust
     [not found] <fa.kmf405v.j74f21@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.ns5ugpv.q02sbg@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-20 21:26   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 22:05     ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:11       ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 22:19         ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 22:34           ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-20 23:05             ` Swap Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <fa.jc73ejv.1s6e80t@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-21  1:45               ` Swap Håvard Kvålen
2001-11-21  4:23                 ` Swap Andreas Dilger
2001-11-20 22:23         ` Swap Andrew Morton
2001-11-20 23:01           ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-20 23:35             ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 23:40               ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-21  0:19                 ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-21  0:21                   ` Swap David S. Miller
2001-11-18 21:12 Swap war
2001-11-18 21:25 ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 21:28   ` Swap war
2001-11-18 21:42     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 21:45       ` Swap war
2001-11-18 23:03       ` Swap Erik Gustavsson
2001-11-19 18:12         ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-19 18:43           ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20  2:49             ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  3:33               ` Swap Ryan Cumming
2001-11-20 11:43                 ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 11:41               ` Swap Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 19:12           ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-20  2:47             ` Swap Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-20  9:16               ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-18 22:05   ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 22:21     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-18 22:36     ` Swap Charles Marslett
2001-11-18 22:54       ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-18 23:36     ` Swap Bernd Eckenfels
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-18  5:06 RFC - tree quotas for Linux (2.4.12, ext2) Neil Brown
2001-10-18  5:53 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-18  8:38   ` James Sutherland
2001-10-18 20:20     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-18 20:47       ` Tim Walberg
2001-10-19  1:07         ` Neil Brown
2001-10-19  3:03           ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-19 11:50             ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-19 17:00               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-18 21:17       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-18 22:56         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19  0:14           ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-19  0:51             ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19  1:13         ` Neil Brown
2001-10-19  0:53       ` Neil Brown
2001-10-24 15:16 ` Jan Kara
2001-10-24 15:34   ` James Sutherland
2001-10-24 15:39     ` Jan Kara
2001-10-24 15:50       ` James Sutherland
2001-10-24 17:41         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-24 18:08           ` James Sutherland
2001-10-26 11:25     ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-24 21:24   ` Neil Brown
2001-10-25 15:48     ` Jan Kara
2001-10-26  4:36       ` Neil Brown
2001-10-29 14:06         ` Jan Kara
2001-10-29 23:23           ` Neil Brown
2001-10-30 12:33             ` Jan Kara

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