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From: war <war@starband.net>
To: James A Sutherland <jas88@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Swap vs No Swap.
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:36:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BFD2997.95F2B9EE@starband.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3BFC5A9B.915B77DF@starband.net> <01112211150302.00690@argo> <3BFD214F.36A55D94@starband.net> <E166wSm-00063a-00@mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk>

The bottom line here is:

There is no need for swap if you have enough ram.
Using swap with more than enough ram does absolutley nothing for the system,
except by degrading the performance of it.


James A Sutherland wrote:

> On Thursday 22 November 2001 4:01 pm, war wrote:
> > Once again, I have enough ram where I am not going to run out for the
> > things I do.
> > I never need swap.
> >
> > When the system swaps, it slows down the system responsiveness big time.
>
> "when it swaps" is meaningless: Linux ALWAYS swaps when there is swapspace.
> Do you mean when it *thrashes*? Or does your system have problems during I/O
> such as not using DMA for disk access?
>
> James.

On Thursday 22 November 2001 4:00 pm, war wrote:
> Incorrect, my point is I have enough ram where I am not going to run out
> for the things I do.

There's more to it than "not run out". You have some fixed amount of RAM; if
the VM is working properly, adding swap will IMPROVE performance, because
that fixed amount of RAM is used more efficiently.

Obviously, there are cases where removing swap breaks the system entirely,
but even in other cases, adding swap should *never* degrade performance. (In
theory, anyway; in practice, it still needs tuning...)

> Using swap simply slows the system down!

In which case, the VM isn't working properly; it SHOULD page out infrequently
used data to make more room for caching frequently used files.


James.
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-22 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-22  1:53 Swap vs No Swap war
2001-11-22  2:23 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-11-22  2:31   ` war
2001-11-22  2:58 ` Mark Hahn
2001-11-22  4:09 ` listmail
2001-11-22  5:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-22  5:30   ` war
2001-11-22  5:32     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-22  9:50       ` Christian Bornträger
2001-11-22  8:50 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-22 11:00 ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-22 16:00   ` war
2001-11-22 16:08     ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-22 16:57       ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-22 18:56         ` François Cami
2001-11-22 18:58           ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-22 19:17             ` François Cami
2001-11-22 19:36               ` G . Sumner Hayes
2001-11-22 20:37                 ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-23  6:30       ` Charles Marslett
2001-11-23  9:13         ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-23 16:46           ` Charles Marslett
2001-11-22 16:25   ` war
2001-11-22 16:37     ` Ryan Cumming
2001-11-22 17:39     ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-22 17:56       ` war
     [not found] ` <01112211150302.00690@argo>
2001-11-22 16:01   ` war
2001-11-22 16:12     ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-22 16:36       ` war [this message]
2001-11-22 16:33         ` Bjorn Wesen
2001-11-22 17:37         ` Thomas S. Iversen
2001-11-22 21:18           ` Mike Galbraith
2001-11-22 17:41         ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-22 17:56           ` war
2001-11-22 18:08             ` James A Sutherland
2001-11-23 22:05       ` Daniel Gryniewicz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-22 16:11 Elgar, Jeremy
2001-11-22 16:22 ` Ryan Cumming
2001-11-22 16:22 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-11-22 16:29 Elgar, Jeremy
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10111221006010.29736-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-11-22 16:34 ` war
2001-11-26 20:18   ` Kent Borg

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