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From: "François Cami" <stilgar2k@wanadoo.fr>
To: Patrick McFarland <unknown@panax.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4.16-pre1
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:28:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C017077.506@wanadoo.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011125151543.57a1159c.skraw@ithnet.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111251007140.9377-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <20011125170701.H238@localhost>

Patrick McFarland wrote:

> The Linux kernel is a very important peice of software, 


So true

> not the little project you started many years ago. 


Yes. But I believe Linus does want to manage it. It was very kind of
him to allow us to play with it in the first place. If you're not happy
with that, I believe you're free to leave, exactly the same as you
were free to join.

> Its grown beyond what you can manage alone, Linus. 

> Find someone to help you. You cant develop and maintain at the same time. 


2.4 is now in the hands of Marcelo, to me that means 2.4 is nearly
"finished", i.e. going into *real* maintenance mode.

> Well, not unless we can clone you, or get rid of whatever real life you have. 


I won't comment on that one.

Regards,

François Cami


> On 25-Nov-2001, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
>>On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote:
>>
>>>The "problem" effectively arises from _fast_ releasing "stable" versions.
>>>
>>Actually, I think that is just the _symptom_ of the basic issue: I do not
>>like being a maintainer.
>>
>>Let's face it, we had similar problems in 2.2.x, for all the same reasons:
>>I'm simply not a good maintainer, because I'm too impatient and get too
>>bored with it.
>>
>>The fact that I've held on to 2.4.x for too long, mostly due to the VM
>>problems, really doesn't help. That just makes me _less_ likely to be
>>careful. Especially when the last known VM problem was fixed (ie the
>>Oracle highmem deadlock), I had a very strong urge to just "get the d*mn
>>thing out to Marcelo".
>>
>>I'm much happier doing development, and what I'm best at for Linux is at
>>doing the "hard decisions" - and not necessarily because of technical
>>reasons, but simply because I _can_ make them without too many people
>>grumbling. An example of this is to do the VM reorg in the first place,
>>something that at the time a lot of people disagreed with.
>>
>>But I'm not a good, careful, maintainer. I never claim to be.
>>
>>I bet you'll see better, more consistent quality from Marcelo.
>>
>>		Linus
>>
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> 




  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-11-25 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-24 18:39 Linux 2.4.16-pre1 Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-24 18:40 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-24 20:36   ` Phil Sorber
2001-11-24 19:44     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-24 21:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-24 21:32         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-24 22:04           ` François Cami
2001-11-26  0:49           ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-26  0:51             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-26 17:50               ` Alan Cox
2001-11-26 18:08                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-26  0:51             ` David Weinehall
2001-11-26  0:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25  1:56         ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-25  2:12           ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-25  2:34             ` war
2001-11-25  2:41               ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-25  3:05                 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-11-25 21:55                   ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-26 12:06                   ` Martin Persson
2001-11-26 14:26                     ` David Lang
2001-11-26 16:55                       ` Alan Cox
2001-11-26 16:58                         ` Dominik Kubla
2001-11-26 15:38                     ` M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2001-11-26 18:12                     ` J Sloan
2001-11-25  4:10                 ` J Sloan
2001-11-25 21:58                   ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-25 22:57                     ` J Sloan
2001-11-25 23:11                       ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-26  0:26                         ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-26  0:31                           ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-26  0:39                             ` CaT
2001-11-25  4:23                 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-11-25  3:04           ` John Alvord
2001-11-26 18:13         ` Alan Cox
2001-11-26 18:09           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-24 20:58     ` Ryan Cumming
2001-11-24 22:21       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-24 22:35         ` kernel.org maintenance Ahmed Masud
2001-11-24 22:56         ` Linux 2.4.16-pre1 Mohammad A. Haque
2001-11-24 21:09 ` Marc A. Ohmann
2001-11-24 19:54   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-24 21:13   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-11-24 23:32 ` F.H. Bulthuis
2001-11-24 23:37   ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 23:47     ` F.H. Bulthuis
2001-11-25 13:34 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-11-25 14:15   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-11-25 18:07     ` Tobias Ringstrom
2001-11-25 18:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-25 19:16       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-11-25 22:07       ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-25 19:27         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-25 22:13         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-11-25 22:18           ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-25 22:26             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-11-25 22:31               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-11-26  1:16             ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-11-26  1:33               ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-26  2:45                 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-11-26  2:50                 ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-27  0:47                   ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-27  1:01                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-27  1:04                       ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-27  1:02                     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 10:44                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-26  6:57           ` Martin Eriksson
2001-11-25 22:28         ` François Cami [this message]
2001-11-25 22:36           ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-25 22:40             ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-26  0:20         ` Andrew Pimlott
2001-11-26  0:56           ` Patrick McFarland
2001-11-26  1:16             ` Phil Oester
2001-12-04 20:28             ` The Doctor What
2001-12-04 20:51               ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-25 23:53       ` [RFC] 2.5/2.6/2.7 transition [was Re: Linux 2.4.16-pre1] Mike Fedyk
2001-11-26  3:58         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-26  5:33           ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-26 10:59           ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-26 14:58             ` jlnance
2001-11-26 18:18             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-26 12:41           ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-26 19:35             ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-26 17:44           ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 21:08             ` Alan Cox
2001-11-26 21:42               ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 23:52                 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27  3:40                   ` Johan Kullstam
2001-11-26  8:13         ` John Alvord
2001-11-25 14:39   ` Linux 2.4.16-pre1 Florian Weimer
2001-11-25 14:51     ` Russell King
2001-11-25 14:58       ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-25 15:06         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-25 15:14         ` Bruce Harada
2001-11-25 21:44       ` Teodor Iacob
2001-11-25 21:24         ` Thiago Rondon
2001-11-25 21:51         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-11-26 17:07 ` vda
2001-11-26 16:36   ` Charles Marslett
2001-11-27  4:30   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-27  8:59     ` Adrian Bunk
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-24 21:56 Ricardo Galli
2001-11-25 12:09 Fred Bulthuis

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