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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: "Dieter Nützel" <Dieter.Nuetzel@hamburg.de>
Cc: Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Unresponiveness of 2.4.16
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:13:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C044855.3CF2DCA3@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011128013129Z281843-17408+21534@vger.kernel.org>

Dieter Nützel wrote:
> 
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Jens Axboe wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree that the current i/o scheduler has really bad interactive
> > > performance -- at first sight your changes looks mostly like add-on
> > > hacks though.
> >
> > Good hacks, or bad ones?
> 
> As I can "see" not so good.
> I've tried "dbench 32" and playing an MP3 with Noatun (KDE-2.2.2) and  "saw"
> my reported hiccup since 2.4.7-ac4, as always.

Ah.  dbench.   The change to balance_dirty_state() absolutely
cripples dbench throughput.  And that really doesn't matter,
unless you want to run dbench for a living.

You can get the dbench throughput back by increasing the
async and sync dirty buffer writeback thresholds:

	echo 70 64 64 256 30000 3000 80 0 0 > /proc/sys/vm/bdflush

> Noatun stops after 9-10 seconds of the "dbench 32" run and then every few
> seconds, again and again. The hiccup take place more often but for shorter
> times then without your patch.

Probably Noatun needs larger buffers if it is to survive concurrent
dbench.   You may see improvement with

	elvtune -b N /dev/hdaX

where 8 >= N >= 1.

> System was:
> 
> 2.4.16 +
> preempt +
> lock-break-rml-2.4.16-1.patch +
> all ReiserFS patches for 2.4.16
> 
> 1 GHz Athlon II
> MSI MS-6167 Rev 1.0B (AMD Irongate C4, without bypass)
> 640 MB PC100-2-2-2 SDRAM
> U160 IBM 18 GB disk
> AHA-2940 UW
> 
> > It keeps things localised.  It works.  It's tunable.  It's the best
> > IO scheduler presently available.
> 
> Throughput was a little lower ;-)

dbench?  Throughput seems to scale with the fourth power of the
amount of RAM you chuck at it :)

> Don't forget to tune max-readahead.

Yes.  Readahead is fairly critical and there may be additional fixes
needed in this area.

Someone recently added the /proc/sys/vm/max_readahead (?) tunable.
Beware of this.  It only works for device drivers which do not
populate their own readhead table.  For IDE, it *looks* like
it works, but it doesn't.   For IDE, the only way to alter VM
readahead is via

	echo file_readahead:N > /proc/ide/ide0/hda/settings

where N is in kilobytes in 2.4.16 kernels.  In earlier kernels
it's kilopages (!).

-

  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-28  2:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-28  1:31 Unresponiveness of 2.4.16 Dieter Nützel
2001-11-28  2:13 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2001-11-28  2:34   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-28  2:48     ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-28 20:21       ` Roger Larsson
2001-11-28  3:53     ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]     ` <200111280353.fAS3rEB05638@zero.tech9.net>
2001-11-28  4:14       ` Robert Love
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-28 19:42 Torrey Hoffman
2001-11-28 20:51 ` Dieter Nützel
2001-11-28 18:56 Torrey Hoffman
2001-11-28 19:31 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-28  0:33 Torrey Hoffman
2001-11-28  0:48 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-28 18:09   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-28 19:38     ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27  9:56 willy tarreau
2001-11-27 10:57 ` Heinz Diehl
2001-11-26 22:02 Nathan G. Grennan
2001-11-26 22:17 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-26 23:34   ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-11-27  0:05     ` Steve Lion
2001-11-27  9:12     ` Ahmed Masud
2001-11-27 17:12       ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27 20:31         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-27 20:57           ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27 21:19             ` Martin Eriksson
2001-11-27 21:24             ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-28 18:24             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-28 18:57               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-28 20:31               ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-28 20:56                 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-28 21:12                   ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-28 20:04                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-28 21:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-26 23:59   ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-27  0:36     ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27  0:46       ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-27  4:38       ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-27  4:45         ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27  1:45   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-26 22:21 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27  7:42   ` Jens Axboe
2001-11-27  7:58     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-27  8:01       ` Jens Axboe
2001-11-27  8:31     ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27  8:38       ` Jens Axboe
2001-11-26 22:44 ` Lincoln Dale
2001-11-27  4:34   ` GOTO Masanori
2001-11-27  0:44 ` Lost Logic
2001-11-27  0:57   ` Lost Logic
2001-11-27  3:49 ` Sean Elble
2001-11-27  3:56   ` Doug Ledford
2001-11-27  4:00     ` Sean Elble

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