Re: [patch] scalable timers implementation, 2.4.16, 2.5.0

[Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>]

Rusty Russell wrote:
> 
> In message <3C0E9BFD.BC189E17@zip.com.au> you write:
> > Rusty Russell wrote:
> > >
> > > PS.  Also would be nice to #define del_timer del_timer_sync, and have a
> > >      del_timer_async for those (very few) cases who really want this.
> >
> > That could cause very subtle deadlocks.   I'd prefer to do:
> >
> > #define del_timer_async       del_timer
> 
> I'd prefer to audit them all, create a patch, and remove del_timer.
> Doing it slowly usually means things just get forgotten, then hacked
> around when it finally gets ripped out.

um.  Auditing them all is a big task:

akpm-1:/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-pre4> grep -r del_timer . | wc
    800    2064   48299
akpm-1:/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-pre4> grep -r del_timer_sync . | wc 
     85     245    5384

I tried it, when I was a young man.

One mindset would be to just replace all the del_timer calls
with del_timer_sync by default, and to then look for the below
deadlock pattern.   But if you do this, Alexey shouts at you,
because his code actually gets del_timer right, by looking at
its return value.

I'd urge you to reconsider.  We have a *lot* of timer deletion
races in Linux, and squashing them all in one patch just isn't
feasible.

> The deadlock you're referring to is, I assume, del_timer_sync() called
> inside the timer itself?  Can you think of any other dangerous cases?

Nope.  The deadlock is where the caller of del_timer_sync holds
some lock which would prevent the completion of the timer handler.
It happens, and is sometimes subtle.

drivers/video/txfxfb.c is an unsubtle example.

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