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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
Cc: "Ragnar Kjørstad" <reiserfs@ragnark.vestdata.no>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-dev@namesys.com
Subject: Re: [reiserfs-dev] Re: Ext2 directory index: ALS paper and benchmarks
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:12:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C1130B7.8020201@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16BjYc-0000hS-00@starship.berlin> <E16CP0X-0000uE-00@starship.berlin> <20011207190301.C6640@vestdata.no> <E16CPaA-0000uj-00@starship.berlin>

Daniel Phillips wrote:

>On December 7, 2001 07:03 pm, Ragnar Kjørstad wrote:
>
>>>With ReiserFS we see slowdown due to random access even with small 
>>>directories.  I don't think this is a cache effect.
>>>
>>I can't see why the benefit from read-ahead on the file-data should be
>>affected by the directory-size?
>>
>>I forgot to mention another important effect of hash-ordering:
>>If you mostly add new files to the directory it is far less work if you
>>almost always can add the new entry at the end rather than insert it in
>>the middle. Well, it depends on your implementation of course, but this
>>effect is quite noticable on reiserfs. When untaring a big directory of
>>maildir the performance difference between the tea hash and a special
>>maildir hash was approxemately 20%. The choice of hash should not affect
>>the performance on writing the data itself, so it has to be related to
>>the cost of the insert operation.
>>
>
>Yes, I think you're on the right track.  HTree on the other hand is optimized 
>for inserting in arbitrary places, it takes no advantage at all of sequential 
>insertion.  (And doesn't suffer from this, because it all happens in cache 
>anyway - a million-file indexed directory is around 30 meg.)
>
>--
>Daniel
>
>
someday reiserfs might benefit from inserting more airholes into 
directories so that insertion is more efficient.

This may be a significant advantage of Htree.

Yet another feature needed.....:-/

Hans



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-07 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-05 21:26 Ext2 directory index: ALS paper and benchmarks Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06  3:41 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-06  3:54   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06  3:56     ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-06  4:08       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 13:44         ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-06 17:22           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07  0:13             ` [reiserfs-dev] " Hans Reiser
2001-12-07  4:39               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 12:36                 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-07 14:35                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 20:16                     ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-06 11:27   ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-12-07 15:51     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 16:47       ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-12-07 17:41         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 18:03           ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-12-07 18:18             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 21:10               ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-07 21:12               ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2001-12-07 18:32           ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-07 19:46             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 20:00               ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-08  7:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-08 17:32               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-08 17:54                 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-09  3:27                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-09  4:19                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-09 16:29                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-09 20:13                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-10  6:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-10  6:49                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-10  8:32                           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-10 16:14                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-08 20:28                 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-08 21:10                   ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-12-07 21:01         ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-07 22:56           ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-12-08  0:15             ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-08 19:16               ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-12-08 19:55                 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-09  2:47                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-09  2:39                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-08 18:02       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2001-12-09  2:24         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07  3:19   ` Cameron Simpson
2001-12-07 10:54     ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-07 14:53       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 20:33         ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-07 13:06     ` [reiserfs-dev] " Ragnar Kjørstad

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