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From: Padraig Brady <padraig@antefacto.com>
To: Michael Poole <poole@troilus.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: horrible disk thorughput on itanium
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:37:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C11368F.4020408@antefacto.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p73n10v6spi.fsf@amdsim2.suse.de>	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0112070941330.8465-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>	<20011207185847.A20876@wotan.suse.de>	<87wuzyq4ms.fsf@sanosuke.troilus.org> <3C110C0B.4030102@antefacto.com> <87snampvww.fsf@sanosuke.troilus.org>

Michael Poole wrote:

> Padraig Brady <padraig@antefacto.com> writes:
> 
> 
>>This breaks for the case discussed @
>>http://sources.redhat.com/ml/bug-glibc/2001-11/msg00079.html
>>I.E. if you have a multithreaded lib being linked by
>>single threaded apps (Note multithreaded lib, not just a
>>threadsafe lib (I.E. the lib calls pthread_create())).
>>
> 
> That's an interesting, but very contrived, example.  Can you find a
> single multi-threaded lib that uses FILE*'s shared with the
> application using it?


Well you have to deal with the general case. A single threaded

app linking against a multithreaded lib. It mightn't be just
shared FILE*'s that could cause problems.


> Linus's suggestion to add hooks to pthread_create() gets around that
> problem, anyway.


I don't think this will work as I said before current apps that
use _unlocked() functions directly manipulate the stdio structures,
hence a "new smarter locking stdio" would never get used by existing
compiled apps.

> Alternatively, the multi-threaded library could
> require any application linking to it to define _REENTRANT.


It could, but what if an existing interface (lib) is changed

from signle to multithreaded. You can't preclude this.


> After all, it's silly to talk about a 'multi-threaded' library linked
> to a 'single-threaded' application -- the application plus any
> libraries, as a whole, are either multithreaded or not.  They have to
> be on the same page to deal with *any* locking issues.
> 
> -- Michael

Padraig.


  reply	other threads:[~2001-12-07 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <p73r8q86lpn.fsf@amdsim2.suse.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112070710120.747-100000@mikeg.weiden.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <9upmqm$7p4$1@penguin.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-12-07 13:54     ` horrible disk thorughput on itanium Andi Kleen
2001-12-07 14:20       ` Padraig Brady
2001-12-07 16:14       ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-07 17:18         ` Robert Love
2001-12-07 17:40           ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-07 17:48             ` Robert Love
2001-12-07 17:45       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-07 17:58         ` Andi Kleen
2001-12-07 18:14           ` Michael Poole
2001-12-07 18:35             ` Padraig Brady
2001-12-07 21:22               ` Michael Poole
2001-12-07 21:37                 ` Padraig Brady [this message]
2001-12-07 22:26                   ` Michael Poole
2001-12-07 18:15           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-07 18:41             ` Padraig Brady
2001-12-07 18:33           ` Padraig Brady
2001-12-07 20:44         ` Greg Hennessy
2001-12-07 21:37           ` Marco Colombo
2001-12-07 20:42       ` David S. Miller
     [not found]         ` <3C112DE4.60206@antefacto.com>
     [not found]           ` <20011207.130316.39156883.davem@redhat.com>
2001-12-09  1:19             ` [OT] fputc vs putc " Tom Vier
2001-12-09  1:33               ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-09  9:27                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-09 19:14                   ` Tom Vier
2001-12-09 22:15                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-07  6:42 Dan Kegel
     [not found] <20011206110713.A8404@cox.rr.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <3C0FD955.4510B738@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-12-06 22:13   ` Andi Kleen
2001-12-07  6:11     ` Mike Galbraith
2001-12-07  6:15       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-07 12:32         ` Greg Hennessy
2001-12-07 17:57           ` Marco Colombo
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-06 16:07 Greg Hennessy
2001-12-06 16:17 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-12-06 20:47 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-09 23:13 ` Kurt Garloff

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