From: curtis@integratus.com
To: Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>, Nathan Scott <nathans@sgi.com>,
Andreas Gruenbacher <ag@bestbits.at>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: reiser4 (was Re: [PATCH] Revised extended attributesinterface)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:14:24 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C166920.77F644F@integratus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011205143209.C44610@wobbly.melbourne.sgi.com> <20011207202036.J2274@redhat.com> <20011208155841.A56289@wobbly.melbourne.sgi.com> <3C127551.90305@namesys.com> <20011211134213.G70201@wobbly.melbourne.sgi.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211184721.04adc9d0@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk>
I know I'm stepping into a minefield, but I just can't help putting in
my 2 pennies. :-)
Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> At 12:02 11/12/01, Hans Reiser wrote:
> >What would have happened if set theory had not just sets and elements, but
> >sets, elements, extended-attributes, and streams, and you could not use
> >the same operators on streams that you use on elements? It would have
> >been crap as a theoretical model. It does real damage when you add things
> >that require different operators to the set of primitives. Closure is
> >extremely important to design. Don't do this.
>
> Since we are going into analogies: You don't use a hammer to affix a screw
> and neither do you use a screwdriver to affix a nail...at least I don't. I
> think you are trying to use a large sledge hammer to put together things
> which do not fit together thus breaking them in the process. To use your
> own words: Don't do this. (-; Each is distinct and should be treated as
> such. </me ducks>
I agree with Anton. Files have certain characteristics that we all
know and love, stream-style attributes have pretty-much those same
characteristics. IMHO, we would like EAs to have a different set of
characteristics so that the application programmer has different tools
in her toolbox. To continue the analogy: "if all you have is a hammer,
everything looks like a nail". Give someone that _already has_ a hammer
a screwdriver and they will be confused for a while but will end up
happier than if you gave them a "better hammer".
Thanks,
Curtis
--
Curtis Anderson curtis@integratus.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-12-11 20:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-12-05 3:32 [PATCH] Revised extended attributes interface Nathan Scott
2001-12-05 9:08 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-06 5:46 ` Nathan Scott
2001-12-06 3:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 5:41 ` Nathan Scott
2001-12-06 15:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 23:15 ` Nathan Scott
2001-12-07 1:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 2:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 3:51 ` Nathan Scott
2001-12-07 20:20 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-12-08 4:58 ` Nathan Scott
2001-12-08 20:17 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-11 2:42 ` reiser4 (was Re: [PATCH] Revised extended attributes interface) Nathan Scott
2001-12-11 12:02 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-11 19:23 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-11 20:14 ` curtis [this message]
2001-12-11 21:34 ` reiser4 (was Re: [PATCH] Revised extended attributesinterface) Hans Reiser
2001-12-11 23:04 ` curtis
2001-12-11 23:28 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-11 23:46 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-12 1:00 ` curtis
2001-12-11 21:21 ` reiser4 (was Re: [PATCH] Revised extended attributes interface) Hans Reiser
2001-12-11 23:33 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-11 23:59 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-12 2:16 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-12 12:02 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-12 13:34 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-12 15:40 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-13 1:43 ` Andrew Pimlott
2001-12-13 9:23 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-13 10:36 ` User-manageable sub-ids proposals Romano Giannetti
2001-12-13 13:37 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-12-13 16:06 ` Romano Giannetti
2001-12-13 18:58 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-12-18 0:17 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-13 23:24 ` David Wagner
2001-12-21 21:28 ` Andreas Ferber
2001-12-13 15:27 ` reiser4 (was Re: [PATCH] Revised extended attributes interface) Andrew Pimlott
2001-12-13 20:47 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-13 21:01 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-10 11:52 ` [PATCH] Revised extended attributes interface Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-12-10 15:00 ` Peter J. Braam
2001-12-10 15:56 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-12-10 16:00 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2001-12-10 16:15 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-12-10 19:01 ` John Stoffel
2001-12-11 1:22 ` Timothy Shimmin
2001-12-11 11:33 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-12-11 13:30 ` Implementing POSIX ACLs - was: " Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-11 14:34 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-12-11 15:15 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-11 1:41 ` Nathan Scott
2001-12-11 13:47 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-12-11 18:23 ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-11 18:46 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-11 23:37 ` Implementing POSIX ACLs - was " Nathan Scott
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