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From: Otto Wyss <otto.wyss@bluewin.ch>
To: "'linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Booting a modular kernel through a multiple streams file
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:37:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C1D060B.9475C9F8@bluewin.ch> (raw)

Well I don't think a kernel without anything compiled in is currently functional
but I'd rather like to have as less as possible. And I _don't_ like the solution
with initrd. So I've thought about other solutions to solve the hen-egg dilemma
when booting a modular kernel.

Well a simple solution would be if Linux supports the multiple streams file
format. Assume the kernel and all necessary modules for booting (if not all
modules) are combined into a single file. The boot loader (i.e. lilo) simply
loads this file and starts the first stream (the kernel). It doesn't need to
know the full multiple stream format (maybe nothing at all). The kernel of
course needs this functionality to load the rest of the modules for a minimal
working system. 

I assume it's no problem to integrate the building of this boot file into either
the Linux compilation or better into a separate setup phase (possibly together
with good hardware/module detection).

Advantages:
- A simple boot loader can handle it without much tweaking
- The multiple streams file format is a standard concept usable anywhere
- No ramdisk is necessary
- This concept needs possibly less kernel functionality than initrd
- No change in the current compilation process except for the additional setup phase

Disadvantages:
- Someone else has to do it, I'm not a kernel/driver developer

Why did nobody else have this simple idea? I don't know, maybe the multiple
streams file format isn't widely known in the Linux community. Who else does use
it? The MacOS runs nicely with it, supporting data and resource streams. Maybe
it is already ported from the MacOS X to Darwin. WindowsNT supports it but
doesn't use it.

O. Wyss

             reply	other threads:[~2001-12-16 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-16 20:37 Otto Wyss [this message]
2001-12-16 20:50 ` Booting a modular kernel through a multiple streams file Alexander Viro
2001-12-17 18:49   ` Otto Wyss
2001-12-17 19:07     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-12-20 18:47       ` Otto Wyss
2001-12-16 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-16 22:02   ` antirez
2001-12-16 22:18     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  0:08 ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  6:26   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-23 13:48   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-23 17:57     ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23 23:05     ` Marcus Meissner
2001-12-24  2:38       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 10:58       ` Wilfried Weissmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-17 19:53 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-17 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-17 22:10 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18  2:31 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18  5:46   ` Craig Christophel
2001-12-23  0:28   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  0:44   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  1:39   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  2:10     ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23  3:00       ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  3:52         ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-23  4:41         ` Ryan Cumming
2001-12-23  5:52           ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  7:16             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-12-23  8:06               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 12:22                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-23 20:58                   ` Erik Mouw
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112180350550.6100-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-12-18 11:16 ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-18 19:10   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-19  9:27     ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-19 10:11       ` Erik Andersen
2001-12-23  0:39     ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  0:42       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  1:15         ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  1:35           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  2:08             ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 17:43 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 18:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 18:49 ` Greg KH
2001-12-18 17:47 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 18:53 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 19:43 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-18 19:50 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-18 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-18 20:30 ` M. R. Brown
2001-12-18 20:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-19  9:34 ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-23  1:02   ` Dave Cinege
2001-12-23  9:10     ` James A Sutherland
2001-12-19 14:13 ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-18 20:35 Torrey Hoffman
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0112190313080.9963-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-12-19  8:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-19 14:55   ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-19 15:49     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-19 17:03       ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-19 19:01         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-20  3:30         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23  7:20 Grover, Andrew
2001-12-23  9:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-23  9:47   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-23 21:24     ` Eric W. Biederman

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