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From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Legacy Fishtank <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>,
	"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: State of the new config & build system
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:47:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C2CF688.5010503@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112280948450.23339-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds wrote:

>[ Btw, Jeff, any reason why you changed your name to "Legacy Fishtank"? It
>  took a few mails before I noticed that it also said "garzik" in the
>  fine print;]
>
>One thing that this big flame-war has brought up is that different people
>like different things. There may be a simpler solution to this: have the
>core dependency files generated from some other file format.
>
>My pet peeve is "centralized knowledge". I absolutely detested the first
>versions of cml2 for having a single config file, and quite frankly I
>don't think Eric has even _yet_ separated things out enough - why does the
>main "rules.cml" file have architecture-specific info, for example?
>
>That's a big step backwards as far as I'm concerned - we didn't use to
>have those stupid global files, and each architecture could do it's own
>config rules. Eric never got the point that to me, modularity is _the_
>most important thing for maintenance.
>
>Something I also asked for the config system at least a year ago was to
>have Configure.help split up. Never happened. It's still one large ugly
>file. Driver or architecture maintainers still can't just change _their_
>small fragment, they have to touch a global file that they don't "own".
>
>So if somebody really wants to help this, make scripts that generate
>config files AND Configure.help files from a distributed set. And once you
>do that, you could even imagine creating the old-style config files
>(without the automatic checking and losing some information) from the
>information.
>
If you go thus far... then I think, that the Configure.help stuff should 
be embedded inside the driver source code
itself. Like for example the postfix MTA code is embedding whole *man* 
pages there. And  *man* pages would be
anyway a more appriopriate and classical place where the current 
Configure.help information should be.

Just lift the code over from there (The extraction is even proper awk 
insead of some perl crap...) and be nearly done.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-28 22:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-28  0:24 State of the new config & build system Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  0:54 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28  0:57   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  1:15     ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:35       ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:37         ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:41           ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:47             ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:57               ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  2:01                 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 14:14                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 14:16                     ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 17:14                     ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:39                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  1:44                         ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  4:09                           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-30  3:34                             ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-30  4:24                               ` Dave Jones
2001-12-30 14:37                                 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-29 17:11                           ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:43                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:17                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:54                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29  9:24                       ` Anton Blanchard
2001-12-29 16:28                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-01  4:03                 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-01-01  8:26                   ` Keith Owens
2002-01-06  8:55                     ` [kbuild-devel] " Martin Mares
2002-01-06 22:19                       ` Keith Owens
2002-01-09 17:16                         ` Martin Mares
2002-01-01  8:55                   ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 22:31               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-28 23:02                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 14:24             ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:56         ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 21:16           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 22:17             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:44               ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-30 12:05                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-29  1:27               ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  1:53                 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  1:57                   ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  2:10                     ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  4:06                 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 13:32                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-29 20:23                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29  1:26             ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  3:58               ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29  4:21                 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29  4:44                   ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  4:52                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-29 11:10                       ` PORTUGUês EM?? Astinus
2001-12-29  6:59                     ` State of the new config & build system Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29  7:42                       ` Miles Lane
2001-12-29  8:02                         ` Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29  8:11                           ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29  7:41                     ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29  8:13                       ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-29  9:40                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03 10:46                           ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-03 20:29                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 20:35                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 20:46                                 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 21:30                                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 21:50                                     ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 22:11                                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 22:44                                         ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04  1:49                                       ` Andreas Bombe
2002-01-04  2:31                                         ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 21:40                                           ` Andreas Bombe
2001-12-28 22:51           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29  2:54             ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 12:43               ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28  1:22     ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28  1:36       ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-28  1:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  1:38       ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:30   ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28  9:26   ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28  9:42     ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 16:34       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:01       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 20:38         ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-29  0:50         ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  0:55           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 18:24       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 22:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:08           ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:29             ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 22:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:58               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29  9:18                 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-12-31 22:51         ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 22:55           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-01  1:21             ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 19:08       ` Riley Williams
2001-12-28 19:12       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 20:26         ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-28 20:39           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 13:58             ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-30 17:50               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-30 20:53                 ` Hartmut Holz
2001-12-30 20:15               ` Adrian Bunk
2002-01-01  4:29               ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 23:32             ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-28 23:20           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 11:42             ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Henningsen
2001-12-31  8:24               ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-31  6:50           ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-28 22:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:31           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 21:24             ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-29 22:43               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 23:12                 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30  0:22                 ` Russell King
2001-12-30  0:11                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30  5:39                 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-30 13:59                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 17:14             ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-30 17:32               ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 17:44               ` Russell King
2001-12-28 20:39       ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:41       ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:45         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 21:19           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 21:12             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:05                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-29  0:59                   ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 19:12                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29  3:21                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28 23:13           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 23:04             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 23:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:12               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-29 13:01               ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-28 22:47       ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-28 23:25 Stewart Smith
2001-12-29 12:01 Wayne.Brown

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