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From: Brian Gerst <bgerst@didntduck.org>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>, Lionel Bouton <Lionel.Bouton@free.fr>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ISA slot detection on PCI systems?
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:34:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C33D152.79FC8251@didntduck.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020102211038.C21788@thyrsus.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201030327501.5131-100000@Appserv.suse.de> <20020102220333.A26713@thyrsus.com>

"Eric S. Raymond" wrote:
> 
> Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>:
> > See other posting with examples of dramatic failures of
> > 'slots in box, but dmi says none' and 'no slots, dmi says some'.
> > still think this is usable ? You're nuts.
> 
> One of my background assumptions is that the older a machine is, the
> more likely it is that the person doing the config will have a clue about
> what they're doing.   These days hardware is so cheap that only geeks try
> to cram Linux onto old systems -- and even the geeks mostly do it just to
> prove they can.
> 
> Thus I'm not very worried about DMI read failing on older hardware.
> My main objective is to make configuration painless on modern PCI-only
> hardware -- which is why I want to be able to tell when there are no
> ISA slots, so I can deep-six questions about ISA drivers.

Then the best thing to do is to put a disclaimer on your
autoconfiguration program: "WARNING: autoconfigure may not detect older
hardware that was not designed for reliable detection.  If autoconfigure
fails to detect all of your hardware, you may need to manually configure
your kernel."

Sometimes perfection isn't worth the effort, especially when trying to
support a class of hardware that is rapidly becoming obsolete.  Optimize
for the most likely case, and deal with the rare corner cases with other
means.

-- 

						Brian Gerst

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-01-03  3:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-02 20:15 ISA slot detection on PCI systems? Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 20:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-02 20:46 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-02 20:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 20:46   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:13     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:19     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 21:04       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:34         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03  9:26         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-03  8:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-03 12:46     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04 15:04       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-02 21:00   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:23     ` Bill Nottingham
2002-01-02 21:13       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:31         ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:30           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:48             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:47               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:12                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 22:08                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:39                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 22:24                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:50                         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 22:34                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:09                             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:09                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:52                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:56                                 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03  0:00                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  0:37                                     ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03  0:58                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 13:35                                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 13:46                                           ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 16:42                                             ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 18:06                                               ` Alex
2002-01-03 18:16                                                 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 18:22                                                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-03 22:26                                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 22:20                                                     ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-03 22:31                                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 18:41                                                 ` Gábor Lénárt
2002-01-03 22:24                                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-07 21:56                                                 ` Mark H. Wood
2002-01-03 13:10                             ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-02 22:53                         ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 23:16                           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:31                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 23:04                         ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03  3:49                           ` Cameron Simpson
2002-01-03  4:03                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  6:46                             ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03 12:35                             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:39                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-05  7:03                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-05 17:16                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-01-05 17:34                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-05 20:29                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-06  1:19                                         ` Dave Jones
2002-01-06 12:19                                           ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 13:16                                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-06 15:26                                               ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 18:20                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-07 13:35                                                   ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 21:03                                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-06 22:16                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-07  7:42                                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-03 16:00                               ` Cryto verification of Kernel against Trojan code?? Timothy Covell
2002-01-03 21:58                               ` ISA slot detection on PCI systems? Cameron Simpson
2002-01-03 21:15                             ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03 21:26                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-05  6:58                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-02 22:46                     ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 22:51                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 22:48                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:10                           ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  2:10                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  2:44                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  3:03                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  3:26                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  3:18                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  3:36                                       ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03  3:35                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  4:15                                           ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03  4:15                                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  4:27                                               ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03  4:30                                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  3:39                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  3:34                                   ` Brian Gerst [this message]
2002-01-03 14:37                                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04  7:09                                     ` [OT] " Paul Duncan
2002-01-03 11:25                                   ` Henrik Hovi
2002-01-05  7:09                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-03 14:31                                   ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 15:00                                     ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-03 15:15                                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-04 15:30                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-03  5:30                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-03  5:42                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-03  5:55                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03  5:46                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  9:14                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  9:09                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 12:14                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:34                                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 18:28                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:04                                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 19:05                                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 19:21                                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 19:41                                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 20:09                                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-08 12:52                                                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-04 20:19                                                   ` David Weinehall
2002-01-04 20:30                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 20:36                                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-05  7:12                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-04 20:20                                                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:44                                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 19:45                                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 19:50                                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:54                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:24                                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 20:31                                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:33                                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 20:56                                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:57                                                         ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:49                                                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 21:08                                                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:59                                                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 21:18                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 21:23                                                                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-05  0:13                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-04 21:17                                                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-04 21:04                                                         ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-05 17:28                                                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04 19:36                                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:45                                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:08                                                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-03 16:52                                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-03 17:01                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 17:27                                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  9:24                                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 14:12                               ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03  3:07                             ` Greg Hennessy
2002-01-03  9:08                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  9:03                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 12:20                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:07                                   ` BALBIR SINGH
2002-01-03 12:40                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 21:44                                       ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03 22:17                                         ` David Weinehall
2002-01-04 18:41                                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-03 22:36                                         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-04 12:10                                         ` Alex
2002-01-04 12:20                                           ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 12:22                                             ` Alex
2002-01-04 12:30                                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 12:47                                                 ` Alex
2002-01-03 12:56                                   ` Urban Widmark
2002-01-03  9:19                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  9:12                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  9:31                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 10:34                             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-03 14:42                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 15:39                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-02 23:15                           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:07                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:33                               ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 23:37                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03  2:19                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03  2:17                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:19                           ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 23:23                           ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 23:44                             ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03  0:11                               ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03  2:20                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-05  7:05                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-05  6:56                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-03 13:00                 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-02 21:59               ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 22:08             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 21:22       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:28 ` Christian Koenig
2002-01-02 22:04   ` Timothy Covell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-04  9:56 Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-01-04 10:29 ` Alan Cox

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