From: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:12:35 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C433BB3.4EB01846@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1020113202508.17441L-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>
Bill Davidsen wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Kent Borg wrote:
>
> > How does all this fit into doing a tick-less kernel?
> >
> > There is something appealing about doing stuff only when there is
> > stuff to do, like: respond to input, handle some device that becomes
> > ready, or let another process run for a while. Didn't IBM do some
> > nice work on this for Linux? (*Was* it nice work?) I was under the
> > impression that the current kernel isn't that far from being tickless.
> >
> > A tickless kernel would be wonderful for battery powered devices that
> > could literally shut off when there be nothing to do, and it seems it
> > would (trivially?) help performance on high end power hogs too.
> >
> > Why do we have regular HZ ticks? (Other than I think I remember Linus
> > saying that he likes them.)
>
I put a patch on sourceforge as part of the high-res-timers
investigation the implemented a tick less kernel with instrumentation.
It turns out to be overload prone, mostly do to the need to start and
stop a "slice" timer on each schedule() call. I, for one, think this
issue is dead and rightly so. The patch is still there for those who
want to try it. See signature for URL.
> Feel free to quantify the savings over the current setup with max power
> saving enabled in the kernel. I just don't see how "wonderful" it would
> be, given that an idle system currently uses very little battery if you
> setup the options to save power.
>
> --
> bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
> Doing interesting things with little computers since 1979.
>
--
George george@mvista.com
High-res-timers: http://sourceforge.net/projects/high-res-timers/
Real time sched: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtsched/
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2002-01-08 3:02 [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable Dieter Nützel
2002-01-08 10:55 ` Luigi Genoni
2002-01-08 13:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-08 13:33 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-01-08 15:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 15:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-08 15:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 16:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-08 23:02 ` Luigi Genoni
2002-01-08 23:32 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-08 23:42 ` Robert Love
2002-01-08 23:52 ` Luigi Genoni
2002-01-09 0:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-09 0:29 ` John Alvord
2002-01-09 0:43 ` Robert Love
2002-01-09 16:58 ` Kent Borg
2002-01-14 1:28 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-14 1:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 20:12 ` george anzinger [this message]
2002-01-10 19:08 ` Jussi Laako
2002-01-09 5:08 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-09 5:42 ` Robert Love
2002-01-09 9:08 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-09 17:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-09 11:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-09 19:57 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-10 16:40 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-10 2:25 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-10 10:06 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-10 18:34 ` Chris Friesen
2002-01-10 19:36 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-10 20:00 ` Chris Friesen
2002-01-10 20:13 ` Jussi Laako
2002-01-10 20:52 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-01-10 19:01 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-11 2:47 ` Nigel Gamble
2002-01-11 3:18 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-11 12:37 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-11 20:33 ` Robert Love
2002-01-12 2:50 ` yodaiken
2002-01-11 20:22 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-12 5:00 ` yodaiken
2002-01-12 11:53 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-12 12:28 ` yodaiken
2002-01-12 13:25 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-12 14:56 ` yodaiken
2002-01-12 17:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-12 19:23 ` yodaiken
2002-01-12 21:21 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-13 1:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 23:21 ` george anzinger
2002-01-15 0:59 ` yodaiken
2002-01-15 9:18 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-12 20:12 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-12 18:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-12 20:42 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-12 22:13 ` yodaiken
2002-01-13 3:33 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-13 4:02 ` yodaiken
2002-01-13 1:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-12 5:03 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-12 18:26 ` Jussi Laako
2002-01-12 6:01 ` Robert Love
2002-01-12 12:45 ` yodaiken
2002-01-12 19:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 0:16 ` Robert Love
2002-01-13 1:41 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 22:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-12 9:52 ` arjan
2002-01-12 18:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-12 19:23 ` Ed Sweetman
2002-01-12 19:35 ` yodaiken
2002-01-12 20:09 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-20 0:08 ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-12 19:26 ` Robert Love
2002-01-12 19:36 ` yodaiken
2002-01-12 20:07 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-12 20:03 ` Robert Love
2002-01-12 20:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 3:10 ` Robert Love
2002-01-13 11:39 ` Russell King
2002-01-13 18:24 ` Robert Love
2002-01-13 19:06 ` Russell King
2002-01-13 19:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 15:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 18:20 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 5:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-13 22:23 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-13 22:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-12 20:36 ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-01-12 23:01 ` Robert Love
2002-01-13 0:02 ` J Sloan
2002-01-13 1:38 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 15:18 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-13 15:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-01-14 5:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 5:09 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-14 9:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 5:34 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 11:14 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 11:47 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 12:00 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 12:27 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 13:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 14:35 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 14:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 14:35 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-14 16:19 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 20:05 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 20:02 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-14 21:19 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 21:11 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-14 21:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 13:38 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 14:40 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 14:07 ` Guest section DW
2002-01-14 12:17 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-14 12:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-01-14 16:32 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-14 17:43 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:34 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-14 22:46 ` yodaiken
[not found] ` <876664vxm8.fsf@fadata.bg>
2002-01-15 12:31 ` yodaiken
2002-01-20 10:31 ` george anzinger
2002-01-20 14:34 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 18:04 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-01-14 20:09 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 20:22 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-01-14 20:36 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 22:46 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-01-15 3:01 ` george anzinger
2002-01-14 13:45 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 13:48 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 14:56 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 16:18 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 18:54 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 16:36 ` Momchil Velikov
[not found] ` <20020114030925.A1363@viejo.fsmlabs.com>
2002-01-14 18:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 18:39 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 20:16 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 19:16 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-15 3:07 ` george anzinger
2002-01-15 3:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-15 12:39 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 15:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-21 15:43 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 16:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-21 16:06 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 16:33 ` Peter Wächtler
2002-01-21 16:45 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 17:12 ` Peter Wächtler
2002-01-21 17:15 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 16:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-21 16:50 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 17:32 ` Chris Friesen
2002-01-21 17:52 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 18:59 ` Chris Friesen
2002-01-21 19:00 ` Peter Wächtler
2002-01-21 21:22 ` Robert Love
2002-01-21 21:54 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 22:19 ` Robert Love
2002-01-21 22:18 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 22:53 ` Chris Friesen
2002-01-29 23:12 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-21 21:24 ` Robert Love
2002-01-21 21:16 ` Robert Love
2002-01-21 21:33 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-21 21:59 ` J Sloan
2002-01-21 21:49 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 22:01 ` Robert Love
2002-01-21 20:52 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2002-01-21 22:26 ` Robert Love
2002-01-21 23:56 ` yodaiken
2002-01-22 0:45 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-22 1:34 ` yodaiken
2002-01-22 9:13 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-22 2:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-24 15:19 ` yodaiken
2002-01-24 21:15 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-26 2:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-01-29 23:36 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-22 0:27 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-21 19:26 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-21 20:16 ` Allan Sandfeld
2002-01-22 10:57 ` Peter Wächtler
2002-01-21 20:35 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-21 20:49 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 21:42 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-22 0:58 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-22 16:51 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-22 20:50 ` Jussi Laako
2002-01-29 23:05 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-29 23:33 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 17:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 15:08 ` Russ Leighton
2002-01-14 8:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-01-13 15:45 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 20:25 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-13 21:11 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 0:33 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-14 0:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 1:17 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 9:49 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-14 9:45 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-14 10:04 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-14 11:47 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-14 12:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:20 ` Jussi Laako
2002-01-15 1:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-15 20:29 ` Jussi Laako
2002-01-14 19:58 ` george anzinger
2002-01-14 10:09 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 15:02 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-14 15:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-01-14 19:50 ` george anzinger
2002-01-14 19:35 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 15:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 22:03 ` Jussi Laako
2002-01-15 1:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-14 0:10 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 0:41 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 1:05 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 10:16 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-14 1:19 ` Robert Love
2002-01-13 18:13 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 1:50 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-14 1:56 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 10:55 ` Roman Zippel
[not found] ` <16QNVQ-2JqEACC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com>
[not found] ` <3C43D5E1.6785695C@mvista.com>
2002-01-15 8:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-01-13 1:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-12 20:53 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-12 23:07 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-13 16:03 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 1:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 13:34 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-13 15:19 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 22:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 7:22 ` Alans example against preemtive kernel (Was: Re: [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable) Roger Larsson
2002-01-14 9:18 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 12:08 ` [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable Helge Hafting
2002-01-18 22:41 ` Preempt & how long it takes to interrupt (was Re: [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable) Pavel Machek
2002-01-20 11:22 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-21 21:48 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-22 11:52 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-27 20:37 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-27 22:10 ` Nigel Gamble
2002-01-27 22:56 ` Preempt & how long it takes to interrupt (was Re: [2.4.17/18pre]u Alan Cox
2002-01-20 20:22 ` Preempt & how long it takes to interrupt (was Re: [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable) Robert Love
2002-01-12 11:13 ` [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-12 15:07 ` jogi
2002-01-12 16:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-13 15:15 ` jogi
2002-01-12 16:52 ` yodaiken
2002-01-12 17:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-12 19:00 ` Ed Sweetman
2002-01-12 20:23 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-12 21:02 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-12 21:18 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-12 23:24 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-12 21:16 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-12 22:25 ` Francois Romieu
2002-01-13 1:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-13 1:57 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-13 8:03 ` Rusty Russell
2002-01-13 17:42 ` jogi
2002-01-13 18:22 ` Robert Love
2002-01-13 19:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 11:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-13 19:35 ` J Sloan
2002-01-14 6:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-15 1:31 ` J Sloan
2002-01-13 19:46 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-13 20:04 ` Robert Love
2002-01-13 20:30 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-14 11:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-14 13:38 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 15:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-13 20:17 ` jogi
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2002-01-13 22:14 ` jogi
2002-01-13 23:52 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 11:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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2002-01-14 11:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-14 20:27 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-13 15:22 ` jogi
2002-01-14 23:05 ` george anzinger
2002-01-13 15:18 ` jogi
2002-01-13 17:51 ` yodaiken
2002-01-13 18:10 ` jogi
2002-01-13 18:11 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 11:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-13 22:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-13 22:56 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 0:11 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 11:18 ` Marian Jancar
2002-01-14 14:16 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 2:46 ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-10 9:59 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-10 11:04 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-09 0:13 ` Dieter Nützel
2002-01-09 6:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-09 7:25 ` Preemtive kernel (Was: Re: [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable) Roger Larsson
2002-01-09 7:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 20:55 ` [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - it's really unusable Robert Love
2002-01-09 11:24 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-09 14:07 ` Ed Sweetman
2002-01-09 14:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-09 14:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-01-09 17:02 ` Roger Larsson
2002-01-09 17:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-01-09 17:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 19:47 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-08 20:13 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-08 22:00 ` Roger Larsson
2002-01-08 20:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 21:19 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 1:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-08 20:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 21:08 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-08 21:15 ` Robert Love
2002-01-08 21:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-08 21:45 ` Robert Love
2002-01-08 22:31 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-08 21:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 21:10 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-08 21:17 ` Robert Love
2002-01-08 21:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 22:01 ` Robert Love
2002-01-14 1:22 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-08 22:21 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-09 9:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-09 9:26 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-09 9:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 23:26 ` Luigi Genoni
2002-01-09 6:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-08 21:08 ` Robert Love
2002-01-09 0:31 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-09 9:50 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-08 17:41 ` Luigi Genoni
2002-01-14 0:46 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-14 1:14 ` yodaiken
2002-01-14 2:04 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-16 15:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-14 9:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 9:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 9:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 16:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 21:28 ` J Sloan
2002-01-08 13:51 ` J.A. Magallon
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2002-01-09 14:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-09 14:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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2002-04-09 20:45 ` Aviv Shavit
2002-04-09 21:16 ` Rik van Riel
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2002-01-16 16:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-15 12:21 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-15 11:38 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-15 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-15 18:37 ` Martin Knoblauch
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2002-01-14 17:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-22 5:12 ` Dieter Nützel
2002-01-22 7:28 ` J Sloan
2002-01-14 16:53 Dieter Nützel
2002-01-14 16:46 Hron, Randall
2002-01-14 16:25 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-15 1:27 ` M.H.VanLeeuwen
2002-01-14 8:52 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-14 5:23 Dieter Nützel
2002-01-14 2:12 Dieter Nützel
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2002-01-14 0:29 Dieter Nützel
2002-01-13 20:11 Dieter Nützel
2002-01-13 23:33 ` J Sloan
2002-01-14 0:00 ` Dieter Nützel
2002-01-14 9:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-14 20:20 ` J Sloan
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2002-01-08 13:59 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2002-01-08 15:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-08 20:24 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-09 10:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-14 0:55 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-08 15:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-08 16:10 ` David S. Miller
2002-01-08 20:13 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-09 10:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-08 4:00 M.H.VanLeeuwen
2002-01-07 17:41 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-07 17:55 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-07 18:00 ` Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-06 20:38 rwhron
2002-01-07 17:39 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-08 2:48 ` rwhron
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2001-12-31 17:14 ` [PATCH] " M.H.VanLeeuwen
2001-12-31 17:53 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-04 2:14 ` M.H.VanLeeuwen
2002-01-04 12:33 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-04 14:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-04 14:24 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-04 14:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-05 2:20 ` M.H.VanLeeuwen
2002-01-04 14:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-05 19:47 ` José Luis Domingo López
2001-12-30 13:37 Martin Knoblauch
2001-12-30 15:14 ` Andreas Hartmann
2001-12-30 20:11 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-30 21:11 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-31 9:57 ` Martin Knoblauch
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2001-12-28 20:32 ` Rik van Riel
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2001-12-28 21:26 ` Andreas Hartmann
2001-12-29 0:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 13:14 ` Andreas Hartmann
2001-12-29 15:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-03 20:23 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-03 20:50 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-03 21:54 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-04 4:56 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-04 0:19 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-04 5:26 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-04 8:06 ` Ville Herva
2002-01-04 13:05 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-04 13:03 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-04 23:50 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-05 15:08 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-05 21:40 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-06 15:48 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-08 5:09 ` Ken Brownfield
2002-01-07 1:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-07 2:22 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-07 14:20 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-08 0:36 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-04 20:15 ` Andreas Hartmann
2002-01-04 20:55 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-05 8:39 ` Andreas Hartmann
2002-01-05 12:59 ` M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2002-01-05 15:09 ` Andreas Hartmann
2002-01-05 17:51 ` M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2002-01-06 15:51 ` vda
2002-01-06 19:16 ` M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2002-01-06 19:38 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-07 0:47 ` M. Edward Borasky
2002-01-05 9:24 ` Petro
2002-01-05 15:44 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-07 7:15 ` Petro
2002-01-07 14:33 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-07 20:29 ` Petro
2002-01-08 1:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-08 3:10 ` Petro
2002-01-08 6:00 ` Petro
2002-01-11 20:41 ` Ken Brownfield
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