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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Shawn <spstarr@sh0n.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Possible Idea with filesystem buffering.
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:31:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C4AAA95.8040702@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0201200359520.503-100000@coredump.sh0n.net>

In version 4 of reiserfs, our plan is to implement writepage such that 
it does not write the page but instead pressures the reiser4 cache and 
marks the page as recently accessed.  This is Linus's preferred method 
of doing that.

Personally, I think that makes writepage the wrong name for that 
function, but I must admit it gets the job done, and it leaves writepage 
as the right name for all filesystems that don't manage their own cache, 
which is most of them.

Hans

Shawn wrote:

>I've noticed that XFS's filesystem has a separate pagebuf_daemon to handle
>caching/buffering.
>
>Why not make a kernel page/caching daemon for other filesystems to use
>(kpagebufd) so that each filesystem can use a kernel daemon interface to
>handle buffering and caching.
>
>I found that XFS's buffering/caching significantly reduced I/O load on the
>system (with riel's rmap11b + rml's preempt patches and Andre's IDE
>patch).
>
>But I've not been able to acheive the same speed results with ReiserFS :-(
>
>Just as we have a filesystem (VFS) layer, why not have a buffering/caching
>layer for the filesystems to use inconjunction with the VM?
>
There is hostility to this from one of the VM maintainers.  He is 
concerned that separate caches were what they had before and they 
behaved badly.  I think that they simply coded them wrong the time 
before.  The time before, the pressure on the subcaches was uneven, with 
some caches only getting pressure if the other caches couldn't free 
anything, so of course it behaved badly.

>
>
>Comments, suggestions, flames welcome ;)
>
>Shawn.
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-20 11:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-20  9:04 Possible Idea with filesystem buffering Shawn
2002-01-20 11:31 ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2002-01-20 13:56   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 14:21     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 15:13       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:15         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:24           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:30             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:40               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:49                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 22:00                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:10                   ` Matt
2002-01-21  0:57                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:28                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-21  2:29                       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-21 19:15                         ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 22:02                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  9:21                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21  9:13                   ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 15:29               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 17:51       ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-20 21:24         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:32           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 15:37           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 22:45   ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:11     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 23:40       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:48         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:44           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:52             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:08               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:39                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 11:10                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 12:12                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 13:42                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 13:54                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 14:07                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 17:21                             ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 17:47                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 19:44                                 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 20:41                                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 21:53                                     ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22  6:02                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-22 10:09                                         ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-01-22 11:39                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 18:41                                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-22 19:03                                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 20:35                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-01-23 20:48                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-23 20:55                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-23 23:53                                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-24  0:01                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-22 20:19                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 20:50                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 14:03                                         ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 14:39                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 18:46                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 19:19                                               ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:13                                                 ` Steve Lord
2002-01-22 21:22                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:32                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 21:08                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 22:05                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:21                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  0:16                                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:10                                                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-23  1:14                                                     ` Stuart Young
2002-01-23 17:16                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-22 21:12                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 21:28                                                     ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 21:31                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 20:20                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 22:31                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 23:34                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 17:15                                                 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-21  0:28       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:47         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:01           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:21             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:26               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 15:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-20 21:21   ` Hans Reiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-22 21:02 Rolf Lear
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201222008280.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
2002-01-22 23:31 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 23:37   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  5:26     ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-23  9:43 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-23 11:52 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-23 12:02   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 12:11   ` Martin Knoblauch
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201231301560.24338-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found] ` <3C4FC478.BCC44CDF@TeraPort.de>
     [not found]   ` <3C4FDB80.C9F83EBB@aitel.hist.no>
2002-01-24 13:59     ` Martin Knoblauch

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