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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolabs.com>,
	Shawn Starr <spstarr@sh0n.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Possible Idea with filesystem buffering.
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:05:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C4DE22D.4090904@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201221234470.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com> <3C4DB36F.4090306@namesys.com> <2080500000.1011727185@tiny> <3C4DCC49.1080202@namesys.com> <2116720000.1011733708@tiny>

Chris Mason wrote:

>
>On Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:32:09 PM +0300 Hans Reiser
><reiser@namesys.com> wrote:
>
>>>Its not about the cost of a function call, it's what the FS does to make
>>>that call useful.  Pretend for a second the VM tells the FS everything it
>>>needs to know to age a page (whatever scheme the FS wants to use).
>>>
>>>Then pretend the VM decides there's memory pressure, and tells the FS
>>>subcache to start freeing ram.  So, the FS goes through its list of pages
>>>and finds the most suitable one for flushing, but it has no idea how
>>>suitable that page is in comparison with the pages that don't belong to
>>>that FS (or even other pages from different mount points of the same FS
>>>flavor).
>>>
>>Why does it need to know how suitable it is compared to the other
>>subcaches?  It just ages X pages, and depends on the VM to determine how
>>large X is.  The VM pressures subcaches in proportion to their size, it
>>doesn't need to know  how suitable one page is compared to another, it
>>just has a notion of push on everyone in proportion to their size.
>>
>
>If subcache A has 1000 pages that are very very active, and subcache B has
>500 pages that never ever get used, should A get twice as much memory
>pressure?  That's what we want to avoid, and I don't see how subcaches
>allow it.
>
>-chris
>
>
>
>
Yes, it should get twice as much pressure, but that does not mean it 
should free twice as many pages, it means it should age twice as many 
pages, and then the accesses will un-age them.

Make more sense now?

Hans


  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-22 22:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-20  9:04 Possible Idea with filesystem buffering Shawn
2002-01-20 11:31 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 13:56   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 14:21     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 15:13       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:15         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:24           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:30             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:40               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:49                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 22:00                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:10                   ` Matt
2002-01-21  0:57                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:28                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-21  2:29                       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-21 19:15                         ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 22:02                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  9:21                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21  9:13                   ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 15:29               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 17:51       ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-20 21:24         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:32           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 15:37           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 22:45   ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:11     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 23:40       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:48         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:44           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:52             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:08               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:39                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 11:10                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 12:12                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 13:42                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 13:54                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 14:07                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 17:21                             ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 17:47                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 19:44                                 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 20:41                                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 21:53                                     ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22  6:02                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-22 10:09                                         ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-01-22 11:39                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 18:41                                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-22 19:03                                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 20:35                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-01-23 20:48                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-23 20:55                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-23 23:53                                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-24  0:01                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-22 20:19                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 20:50                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 14:03                                         ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 14:39                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 18:46                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 19:19                                               ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:13                                                 ` Steve Lord
2002-01-22 21:22                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:32                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 21:08                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 22:05                                                     ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2002-01-22 22:21                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  0:16                                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:10                                                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-23  1:14                                                     ` Stuart Young
2002-01-23 17:16                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-22 21:12                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 21:28                                                     ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 21:31                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 20:20                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 22:31                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 23:34                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 17:15                                                 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-21  0:28       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:47         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:01           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:21             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:26               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 15:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-20 21:21   ` Hans Reiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-22 21:02 Rolf Lear
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201222008280.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
2002-01-22 23:31 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 23:37   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  5:26     ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-23  9:43 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-23 11:52 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-23 12:02   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 12:11   ` Martin Knoblauch
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201231301560.24338-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found] ` <3C4FC478.BCC44CDF@TeraPort.de>
     [not found]   ` <3C4FDB80.C9F83EBB@aitel.hist.no>
2002-01-24 13:59     ` Martin Knoblauch

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