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From: Martin Knoblauch <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de>
To: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Possible Idea with filesystem buffering.
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:43:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C4E85BB.FBC5C2E4@TeraPort.de> (raw)

> Re: Possible Idea with filesystem buffering.
> 
> From: Richard B. Johnson (root@chaos.analogic.com)
> Date: Tue Jan 22 2002 - 17:10:27 EST
>  
> 
> We need a free-RAM target, possibly based upon a percentage of
> available RAM. The lack of such a target is what causes the
> out-of-RAM condition we have been experiencing. Somebody thought
> that "free RAM is wasted RAM" and the VM has been based upon
> that theory. That theory has been proven incorrect. You need

 Now, I think the theory itself is OK. The problem is that the stuff in
buffer/caches is to sticky. It does not go away when "more important"
uses for memory come up. Or at least it does not go away fast enough.

> free RAM, just like you need "excess horsepower" to make
> automobiles drivable. That free RAM is the needed "rubber-band"
> to absorb the dynamics of real-world systems.
>

 Correct. The free target would help to avoid the panic/frenzy that
breaks out when we run out of free memory.

 Question: what about just setting a maximum limit to the cache/buffer
size. Either absolute, or as a fraction of total available memory? Sure,
it maybe a waste of memory in most situations, but sometimes the
administrator/user of a system simply "knows better" than the FVM (F ==
Fine ? :-)

 While being there, one could also add a "guaranteed minimum" limit for
the cache/buffer size. This way preventing a complete meltdown of IO
performance. True64 has such limits. They are usually at 100% (max) and
I think 20% (min), giving the cache access to all memory. But there were
situations where a max of 10% was just the rigth thing to do.

 I know, the tuning-knob approach is frowned upon. But sometimes there
are workloads where even the best VM may not know how to react
correctly.

Martin
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             reply	other threads:[~2002-01-23  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-23  9:43 Martin Knoblauch [this message]
2002-01-23 11:52 ` Possible Idea with filesystem buffering Helge Hafting
2002-01-23 12:02   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 12:11   ` Martin Knoblauch
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201231301560.24338-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found] ` <3C4FC478.BCC44CDF@TeraPort.de>
     [not found]   ` <3C4FDB80.C9F83EBB@aitel.hist.no>
2002-01-24 13:59     ` Martin Knoblauch
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201222008280.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
2002-01-22 23:31 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 23:37   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  5:26     ` Shawn Starr
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-22 21:02 Rolf Lear
2002-01-20  9:04 Shawn
2002-01-20 11:31 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 13:56   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 14:21     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 15:13       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:15         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:24           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:30             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:40               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:49                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 22:00                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:10                   ` Matt
2002-01-21  0:57                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:28                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-21  2:29                       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-21 19:15                         ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 22:02                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  9:21                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21  9:13                   ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 15:29               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 17:51       ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-20 21:24         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:32           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 15:37           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 22:45   ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:11     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 23:40       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:48         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:44           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:52             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:08               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:39                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 11:10                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 12:12                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 13:42                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 13:54                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 14:07                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 17:21                             ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 17:47                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 19:44                                 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 20:41                                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 21:53                                     ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22  6:02                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-22 10:09                                         ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-01-22 11:39                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 18:41                                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-22 19:03                                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 20:19                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 20:50                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 14:03                                         ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 14:39                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 18:46                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 19:19                                               ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:13                                                 ` Steve Lord
2002-01-22 21:22                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:32                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 21:08                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 22:05                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:21                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  0:16                                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:10                                                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-23  1:14                                                     ` Stuart Young
2002-01-23 17:16                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-22 21:12                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 21:28                                                     ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 21:31                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 20:20                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 22:31                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 23:34                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 17:15                                                 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-21  0:28       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:47         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:01           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:21             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:26               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 15:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-20 21:21   ` Hans Reiser

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