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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolabs.com>,
	Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>, Shawn Starr <spstarr@sh0n.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Ext2-devel] Re: Possible Idea with filesystem buffering.
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:55:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C4F2340.57E597DF@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C4DB256.172F8D6A@zip.com.au> <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201221649430.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>, <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201221649430.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>; from riel@conectiva.com.br on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 05:03:02PM -0200 <20020123203500.L1930@redhat.com>

"Stephen C. Tweedie" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 05:03:02PM -0200, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > Hans Reiser wrote:
> > >
> > > Note that writepage() doesn't get used much.  Most VM-initiated
> > > filesystem writeback activity is via try_to_release_page(), which
> > > has somewhat more vague and flexible semantics.
> >
> > We may want to change this though, or at the very least get
> > rid of the horrible interplay between ->writepage and
> > try_to_release_page() ...
> 
> This is actually really important --- writepage on its own cannot
> distinguish between requests to flush something to disk (eg. msync or
> fsync), and requests to evict dirty data from memory.
> 
> This is really important for ext3's data journaling mode --- syncing
> to disk only requires flushing as far as the journal, but evicting
> dirty pages requires a full writeback too.  That's one place where our
> traditional VM notion of writepage just isn't quite fine-grained
> enough.

And we use currently use PF_MEMALLOC to work out which context
we're being called from.  Sigh.

I wish I'd taken better notes of all the square pegs which
ext3 had to push into the kernel's round holes.  But there
were so many :)

-

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-01-23 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-20  9:04 Possible Idea with filesystem buffering Shawn
2002-01-20 11:31 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 13:56   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 14:21     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 15:13       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:15         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:24           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:30             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:40               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:49                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 22:00                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:10                   ` Matt
2002-01-21  0:57                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:28                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-21  2:29                       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-21 19:15                         ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 22:02                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  9:21                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21  9:13                   ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 15:29               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 17:51       ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-20 21:24         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:32           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 15:37           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 22:45   ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:11     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 23:40       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:48         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:44           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:52             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:08               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:39                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 11:10                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 12:12                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 13:42                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 13:54                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 14:07                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 17:21                             ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 17:47                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 19:44                                 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 20:41                                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 21:53                                     ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22  6:02                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-22 10:09                                         ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-01-22 11:39                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 18:41                                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-22 19:03                                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 20:35                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-01-23 20:48                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-23 20:55                                                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-01-23 23:53                                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-24  0:01                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-22 20:19                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 20:50                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 14:03                                         ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 14:39                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 18:46                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 19:19                                               ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:13                                                 ` Steve Lord
2002-01-22 21:22                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:32                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 21:08                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 22:05                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:21                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  0:16                                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:10                                                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-23  1:14                                                     ` Stuart Young
2002-01-23 17:16                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-22 21:12                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 21:28                                                     ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 21:31                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 20:20                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 22:31                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 23:34                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 17:15                                                 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-21  0:28       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:47         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:01           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:21             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:26               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 15:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-20 21:21   ` Hans Reiser

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