From: Stephen Lord <lord@sgi.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>
Cc: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>, Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
Ricardo Galli <gallir@uib.es>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT fails in some kernel and FS
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:40:57 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C5D3DE9.4080503@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16WkQj-0005By-00@antoli.uib.es> <3C5AFE2D.95A3C02E@zip.com.au> <1012597538.26363.443.camel@jen.americas.sgi.com> <20020202093554.GA7207@tapu.f00f.org> <234710000.1012674008@tiny> <20020202205438.D3807@athlon.random> <242700000.1012680610@tiny> <3C5C4929.5080403@sgi.com> <20020202155028.B26147@havoc.gtf.org>
Jeff Garzik wrote:
>On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 02:16:41PM -0600, Stephen Lord wrote:
>
>>Can't you fall back to buffered I/O for the tail? OK it complicates the
>>code, probably a lot, but it keeps things sane from the user's point of
>>view.
>>
>
>For O_DIRECT, IMHO you should fail not fallback. You're simply lying
>to the underlying program otherwise.
>
By fallback I mean't just for the tail, not the whole file.
I have been there before. I had to implement the mixed mode buffered/direct
I/O on Unicos because a change in underlying disk subsystems stopped
customer applications from working - the allowed boundaries for
O_DIRECT stopped working when the sales people sold them some new
disks. This also meant you could get most of the speed benefits of
O_DIRECT without having to align your I/O, it also meant really
large I/Os could be made to automatically bypass cache to avoid
cache thrashing.
What we had were two flags, one which indicated use direct I/O, and another
which indicated return an error to user space rather than go through
buffers.
So lie to me and make it work, or don't lie to me options I suppose.
>
>
>In the ibu fs I am hacking on, the idea for O_DIRECT is to fail a read
>if the file is small enough to fit in the inode. If the O_DIRECT
>action is a write, then I will invalidate the data in the inode,
>then follow the standard path (which eventually calls get_block()).
>
>For file tails (a different case from small-file-in-inode), I
>imagine it would be prudent to support O_DIRECT for all actions
>except reading the file tail. If you want to be complicated, you
>could provide userspace with a way to say "this is a dense file"
>and/or simply not create a tail at all...
>
I suspect the reason XFS never did small files in the inode was because of
the problems with implementing mmap and O_DIRECT.
>
> Jeff
>
>
Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-02-03 13:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-02-01 20:37 O_DIRECT fails in some kernel and FS Ricardo Galli
2002-02-01 20:44 ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-01 20:49 ` Ricardo Galli
2002-02-01 20:57 ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-01 21:05 ` Steve Lord
2002-02-02 9:35 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-02 10:25 ` Hans Reiser
2002-02-02 15:24 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 18:20 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 19:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-02 20:10 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 20:16 ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-02 20:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-03 13:40 ` Stephen Lord [this message]
2002-02-03 14:09 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-03 15:05 ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-03 22:44 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-04 15:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 15:21 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-04 15:15 ` Steve Lord
2002-02-04 15:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 16:02 ` Steve Lord
2002-02-04 18:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 19:11 ` Steve Lord
2002-02-04 18:29 ` Joel Becker
2002-02-04 18:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 18:55 ` Joel Becker
2002-02-04 19:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-02 17:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
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2002-02-03 7:26 ` Andi Kleen
2002-02-04 15:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 15:31 ` Chris Mason
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