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From: Stephen Lord <lord@sgi.com>
To: Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>, Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>, Ricardo Galli <gallir@uib.es>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT fails in some kernel and FS
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 09:05:04 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C5D51A0.4050509@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16WkQj-0005By-00@antoli.uib.es> <3C5AFE2D.95A3C02E@zip.com.au> <1012597538.26363.443.camel@jen.americas.sgi.com> <20020202093554.GA7207@tapu.f00f.org> <234710000.1012674008@tiny> <20020202205438.D3807@athlon.random> <242700000.1012680610@tiny> <3C5C4929.5080403@sgi.com> <20020202155028.B26147@havoc.gtf.org> <3C5D3DE9.4080503@sgi.com> <20020203140926.GA14532@tapu.f00f.org>

Chris Wedgwood wrote:

>On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 07:40:57AM -0600, Stephen Lord wrote:
>
>    What we had were two flags, one which indicated use direct I/O,
>    and another which indicated return an error to user space rather
>    than go through buffers.  So lie to me and make it work, or don't
>    lie to me options I suppose.
>
>This seems way to complex in the case of reiserfs... you're only going
>to see tails for small files (typically under 16k) and for the tail
>part when less than a block.
>
>Since O_DIRECT much be blocked sized and block aligned, I'm not sure
>if this is a problem at present...
>

I agree is is not a big issue in this case - my interpretation of tails 
was the end
of any file could be packed, but if it is only small files.....

>
>
>    I suspect the reason XFS never did small files in the inode was
>    because of the problems with implementing mmap and O_DIRECT.
>
>How does IRIX deal with O_DIRECT read/writes of a mapped area?
>Invalidate them or just accept things as being incoherent?
>

They are invalidated at the start of the I/O, but page faults are not 
blocked
out for the duration of the I/O, so the coherency is weak. However, if an
application is doing a combination of mmapped and direct I/O to a file
at the same time, then it should generally have some form of user space
synchronization anyway. For an application doing its own synchronization
of different I/Os they are coherent.

>
>
>
>    --cw
>

Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2002-02-03 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-01 20:37 O_DIRECT fails in some kernel and FS Ricardo Galli
2002-02-01 20:44 ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-01 20:49   ` Ricardo Galli
2002-02-01 20:57     ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-01 21:05   ` Steve Lord
2002-02-02  9:35     ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-02 10:25       ` Hans Reiser
2002-02-02 15:24       ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 18:20       ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 19:54         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-02 20:10           ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 20:16             ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-02 20:50               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-03 13:40                 ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-03 14:09                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-03 15:05                     ` Stephen Lord [this message]
2002-02-03 22:44                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-04 15:04                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 15:21                           ` Chris Mason
2002-02-04 15:15                         ` Steve Lord
2002-02-04 15:46                           ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 16:02                             ` Steve Lord
2002-02-04 18:22                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 19:11                                 ` Steve Lord
2002-02-04 18:29                             ` Joel Becker
2002-02-04 18:49                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 18:55                                 ` Joel Becker
2002-02-04 19:16                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-02 17:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found] <E16WkQj-0005By-00@antoli.uib.es.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <3C5AFE2D.95A3C02E@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
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     [not found]     ` <20020202093554.GA7207@tapu.f00f.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]       ` <234710000.1012674008@tiny.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]         ` <20020202205438.D3807@athlon.random.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
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     [not found]               ` <20020202155028.B26147@havoc.gtf.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-02-03  7:26                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-02-04 15:13                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 15:31                     ` Chris Mason

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