From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>,
That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:37:14 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C6E8ABA.78F360BB@mandrakesoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020216095039.L23546@thyrsus.com> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202161055030.16872-100000@xanadu.home> <20020216110857.B32129@thyrsus.com>
"Eric S. Raymond" wrote:
> Let's suppose we ignored this point for a moment. Let's also suppose
> that what you were demanding were not rendered horribly painful and
> perhaps impossible by the difference between CML1's imperative style
> and CML2's declarative one.
>
> How the hell do you possibly think I could possibly stay motivated under
> that constraint? Nobody is paying me to do this. I'm a volunteer; I
> need to produce good art, not waste time slavishly recreating old errors
> just because a few people are unreasonably fearful of change.
If you are not prepared to evolve the system, you are not familiar with
kernel development... Prove that CML2 is good and needed by breaking it
up into steps, reaching the final goal... Good ole Al Viro's patch
progressions are an excellent example to emulate :)
Jeff
--
Jeff Garzik | "Why is it that attractive girls like you
Building 1024 | always seem to have a boyfriend?"
MandrakeSoft | "Because I'm a nympho that owns a brewery?"
| - BBC TV show "Coupling"
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-02-16 16:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-02-15 16:55 Disgusted with kbuild developers Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 16:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 19:01 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 17:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:27 ` Tom Rini
2002-02-15 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 18:24 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:55 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:14 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 20:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 8:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 21:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 20:59 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:47 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 21:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 9:50 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 4:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 7:41 ` Gerd Knorr
2002-02-16 12:36 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 14:10 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-19 8:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 21:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:08 ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:28 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:07 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 15:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:38 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 5:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 11:23 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 14:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 15:52 ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:32 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-17 0:57 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20 9:07 ` 'revolting' overemphasizes personal beliefs && religion bert hubert
2002-02-16 17:37 ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 17:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-18 10:06 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-15 20:42 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 20:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:15 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:49 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:41 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:26 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 6:35 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 18:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 9:21 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 13:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:21 ` Adam Kropelin
2002-02-16 14:51 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 15:56 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 5:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 22:09 ` Richard Gooch
2002-02-15 21:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:27 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 0:15 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:00 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:53 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 0:05 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-15 22:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 22:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:23 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:37 ` David Lang
2002-02-16 2:11 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 23:51 ` David Lang
2002-02-16 0:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 0:08 ` Ben Greear
2002-02-18 9:41 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-18 16:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 9:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 13:04 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 15:53 ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-02-17 23:06 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 22:41 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 23:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 1:14 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-16 1:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 2:08 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-17 4:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-16 4:17 ` John Jasen
2002-02-16 4:20 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-15 22:27 ` yodaiken
2002-02-15 22:19 ` Cort Dougan
2002-02-16 8:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:53 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:21 ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:29 ` That Linux Guy
2002-02-16 5:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:33 ` CML2 feedback (was Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers) Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:06 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:37 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-02-16 17:34 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 6:46 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-02-16 18:29 ` Of Bundling, Dao and Cowardice Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 19:16 ` That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>,Re: " Rik van Riel
2002-02-18 17:33 ` bill davidsen
2002-02-20 19:53 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-02-16 22:29 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Joel Becker
2002-02-17 0:05 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-17 0:26 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 23:10 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 9:46 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 21:24 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 9:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 17:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-15 17:35 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:00 ` Michael Alan Dorman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-15 18:16 Dan Kegel
[not found] <fa.fs57c8v.pms19j@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.h6krj0v.ggg1hm@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-16 9:04 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-02-17 17:59 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-17 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 22:27 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20 1:02 ` Keith Moore
2002-02-18 4:20 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-18 15:15 SodaPop
2002-02-19 2:48 ` Daniel Phillips
[not found] <fa.i4fkbuv.1k1iiqm@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.iuo8icv.19g8gre@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 7:55 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
[not found] <fa.i8v9q2v.6g8h03@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.hhvfopv.1f70hqv@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 8:04 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 8:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-19 9:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 21:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-20 11:43 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 10:04 Greg Banks
[not found] <fa.h0m1njv.tgmh9v@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 11:23 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 10:51 ` Greg Banks
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