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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@fenrus.demon.nl>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.4.19pre1aa1
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:24:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C8553C1.5E296978@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020305161032.F20606@dualathlon.random> <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0203051354590.1413-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva> <20020305192604.J20606@dualathlon.random>, <20020305192604.J20606@dualathlon.random>; <20020305183053.A27064@fenrus.demon.nl> <3C8518AE.B44AF2D5@zip.com.au> <20020306000314.M20606@dualathlon.random>, <20020306000314.M20606@dualathlon.random> <20020306000532.N20606@dualathlon.random>

Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> BTW, I noticed one of my last my email was a private reply so I'll
> answer here too for the buffer_head pagecache I/O part:

Heh.  Me too.
 
> Having persistence on the physical I/O information is a good thing, so
> you don't need to resolve logical to physical block at every I/O and bio
> has a cost to setup too. The information we carry on the bh isn't
> superflous, it's needed for the I/O so even if you don't use the
> buffer_head you will still need some other memory to hold such
> information, or alternatively you need to call get_block (and serialize
> in the fs) at every I/O even if you've plenty of ram free. So I don't
> think the current setup is that stupid, current bh only sucks for the
> rawio and that's fixed by bio.

The small benefit of caching the get_block result in the buffers
just isn't worth it.

At present, a one-megabyte write to disk requires the allocation
and freeing and manipulation and locking of 256 buffer_heads and
256 BIOs.  lru_list_lock, hash_table_lock, icache/dcache
thrashing, etc, etc.   It's an *enormous* amount of work.

I'm doing the same amount of work with as few as two (yes, 2) BIOs.

This is not something theoretical.  I have numbers, and code.
20% speedup on a 2-way with a workload which is dominated
by copy_*_user.  It'll be more significant on larger machines,
on machines with higher core/main memory speed ratios, on
machines with higher I/O bandwidth. (OK, that bit was theoretical).

-

  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-05 23:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-27 12:50 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-28 22:11 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Bill Davidsen
2002-03-01  1:30   ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Mike Fedyk
2002-03-01  3:26     ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Bill Davidsen
2002-03-01  3:46       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Mike Fedyk
2002-03-01 12:51         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-01 18:37           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Mike Fedyk
2002-03-01 10:17       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Marco Colombo
2002-03-01 11:37         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Alan Cox
2002-03-02  2:06       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-02  2:28         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Alan Cox
2002-03-02  3:30           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-03 21:38         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04  0:49           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-04  1:46             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04  2:25               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-04  3:22                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04 12:41                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-04 14:05                   ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-04 14:23                     ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-04 16:10                       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-04 16:28                         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-04 16:59                       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-04 18:18                         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-03-04 18:41                           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-03-04 18:46                           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-04 22:06                             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-04 23:03                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Samuel Ortiz
2002-03-05 11:23                                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-03-05 17:35                                   ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Samuel Ortiz
2002-03-05  0:12                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-05  6:21                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-04 21:37                           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-04 18:19                         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-04 18:56                           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-04 22:25                             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-04 23:09                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Gerrit Huizenga
2002-03-05  0:19                                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05  2:00                                   ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Gerrit Huizenga
2002-03-04 22:38                             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04 21:36                           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-04 23:01                             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-04 23:11                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-04 23:52                                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05  0:01                                   ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-05  1:05                                     ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05  1:26                                       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-05  1:40                                         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05  1:55                                           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-05  5:16                                             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Samuel Ortiz
2002-03-05  5:47                                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-05  6:33                                                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Samuel Ortiz
2002-03-05 12:22                                           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-05 15:01                                             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0203050921510.1413-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2002-03-05 15:29                                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-05 15:43                                                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05  3:05                                         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Bill Davidsen
2002-03-05  8:35                                   ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 arjan
2002-03-05 12:41                                     ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-05 15:10                                       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05 16:57                                         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Rik van Riel
2002-03-05 18:26                                           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05 18:30                                             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Arjan van de Ven
2002-03-05 19:12                                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrew Morton
2002-03-05 23:03                                                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05 23:05                                                   ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05 23:24                                                     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-03-05 23:37                                                       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05 23:51                                                         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrew Morton
2002-03-06  0:09                                       ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05 14:55                                     ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-05  5:38                               ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-05  6:45                                 ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 David Lang
     [not found]       ` <200203021958.g22JwKq08818@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2002-03-02 20:47         ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Andrea Arcangeli
2002-03-02 20:58           ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Robert Love
2002-03-05 22:16             ` 2.4.19pre1aa1 Bill Davidsen
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2002-02-28  2:57 2.4.19pre1aa1 rwhron

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