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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Arch option to touch newly allocated pages
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:41:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C87ECA7.FC68705A@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C87E859.427EC3C7@zip.com.au> <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0203071926340.2181-100000@imladris.surriel.com>

Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > > use-once reduces the VM to FIFO order, which suffers from
> > > belady's anomaly so it doesn't matter much how much memory
> > > you throw at it
> > >
> > > drop-behind will suffer the same problem once the readahead
> > > memory is too large to keep in the system, but at least the
> > > already-used pages won't kick out readahead pages
> >
> > err..  Was there a fix in there somewhere, or are we stuck?
> 
> Imagine how TCP backoff would work if it kept old packets
> around and would drop random packets because of too many
> old packets in the buffers.
> 
> I suspect that the readahead window resizing might work
> when we throw away the already-used streaming IO pages
> before we start throwing away any pages we're about to
> use.

ewww..  You seem to be implying that when the readahead
code goes to get a new page, it's reclaiming unused
readahead pages *in preference to* already-used pages.

That would be awful, wouldn't it?

Perhaps an algorithm would be:

a) Call mark_page_accessed once against readahead pages.

b) If thrashing is detected, call mark_page_accessed
   twice against readahead pages, to move them onto the
   active list.

   The intent being to say "this page is important.  Throw
   something else away".

Seems this would delay the onset of the problem significantly?

-

  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-07 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-03 21:12 [RFC] Arch option to touch newly allocated pages Jeff Dike
2002-03-03 22:01 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-03 23:27   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-03 23:48     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04  3:16       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04  3:35         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04  5:04           ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 15:09             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 17:42               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 18:29                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 18:36                   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 18:49                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 20:46                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 22:49                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 17:46             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-04 18:34               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 18:33                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-04 20:36                   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-04 22:51                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-05  4:15                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05  4:28                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-05  4:40                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05  5:34                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 14:43                               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05 16:37                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 16:56                                   ` Wayne Whitney
2002-03-05 18:12                                   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05 18:30                                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-06 14:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 15:24                                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-06 15:24                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 16:36                                             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-06 23:14                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 23:20                                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-06 23:26                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 23:33                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-07  0:08                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07  1:27                                                   ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-07  1:52                                                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-08 19:17                                                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-08 21:22                                                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-07 13:49                                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 13:36                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 14:04                                                         ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 14:21                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 14:38                                                             ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 15:31                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 16:50                                                                 ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 18:07                                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 18:15                                                                     ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 19:22                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 22:43                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-07 23:09                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 22:57                                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-07 14:43                                                             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 15:32                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 16:19                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07 17:54                                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 15:34                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-07 19:18                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 20:10                                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 20:56                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:23                                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:02                                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:10                                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:23                                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:27                                                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:41                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-03-07 22:42                                                                                 ` David Lang
2002-03-06 16:03                                         ` Jesse Pollard
2002-03-06 17:08                                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-06 17:33                                             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-07  0:28                                               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-07  0:44                                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-05 18:46                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-06  1:30                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06 10:49                                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-06 14:26                                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-06 16:50                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06 20:25                                         ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-06 20:54                                           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06 21:27                                             ` Malcolm Beattie
2002-03-06 23:26                                               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-06 21:27                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-06 22:25                                             ` Joseph Malicki
2002-03-07  0:04                                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-07  0:28                                             ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-07  0:44                                               ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06 22:21                                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-07 11:30                                           ` Dave Jones
2002-03-07 18:21                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 14:43                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05 16:57                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 18:14                               ` Jeff Dike
2002-03-05 18:45                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 17:30                             ` Jan Harkes

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