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From: Gunther Mayer <gunther.mayer@gmx.net>
To: Andre Hedrick <andre@linuxdiskcert.org>
Cc: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.6 IDE 19, return of taskfile
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:03:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C8CFF64.1B55CDBB@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10203110945480.10583-100000@master.linux-ide.org>

Andre Hedrick wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Martin Dalecki wrote:
>
> >
> > It wasn't a claim but just a suspiction. So this is cleared.
> > But apparently there is no special IBM command using taskfile
> > to do magic things to it. So therefore it's still valid:
> > your example was indeed a mock-up.
>
> No, mine has there real test base, I goto there Lab people and submit
> examples and questions and learn.  I doubt they will listen to you reading
> your code base, since you have claimed taskfile is wrong.  It was
> developed in concert with IBM.
>

The ANSI/NCITS ATA Standard documents lack proper definition what
a "task file" or "taskfile" is !  ATA-1, -2, -3 don't mention this (at least acroread
didn't find),
ATAPI-4 has 3 references but no definition. This is a serious omission for a
well-written standard !
Andre, will this be corrected in some newer standard you participate? ( Don't know
about ata-5/6 yet)

These two meanings certainly explain some confusion about "taskfile":
1) The IDE register set (e.g. 0x1f0-0x1f7) used by a special state-machine (e.g.
ATAPI)
2)  Andres implementation to export the "task file" to user mode
      (as in his patches which were refused by Linus)

Andre, your approach to "parse" the takfile access and let only known commands
through
must be weighted against a "generic" taskfile ioctl, where _I_ give all needed
state-machine information
(incl. state-machine as needed) to serve my reuqest.

Currently your taskfile access is hardcoded in tables in your ide patches and this is

inflexible (e.g. cannot support future commands, unknown at the time of your writing)
!

Your "case" structures and accompanying code are considered kernel bloat, because
it can be done in user code (with a "generic ioctl" and a "generic task file state
machine" which surely
can be extracted from your patch).

Regards, Gunther

P.S.
For some more fun read
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q239700



  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-11 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 217+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-13 22:38 linux-2.5.5-pre1 Linus Torvalds
2002-02-13 23:16 ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 Matthias Andree
2002-02-14  2:30   ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 Jeff Garzik
2002-02-14  1:17 ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 Daniel Phillips
2002-02-14  1:35   ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 -= M.J. Prinsen =-
2002-02-14  9:22     ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 Allan Sandfeld
2002-02-14  5:31   ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 Linus Torvalds
2002-02-14  8:04 ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 bert hubert
2002-02-14 16:23   ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 Linus Torvalds
2002-02-14 16:53     ` linux-2.5.5-pre1 Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-14 14:08 ` [PATCH} 2.5.5-pre1 VESA fb Martin Dalecki
2002-02-14 15:16   ` Alan Cox
2002-02-14 15:32     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-14 20:49 ` Compile error with linux-2.5.5-pre1 & advansys scsi Gerold J. Wucherpfennig
2002-02-19 11:37 ` [PATCH] 2.5.5-pre1 IDE cleanup Martin Dalecki
2002-02-19 11:46 ` [PATCH] 2.5.5-pre1 IDE cleanup 9 Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 10:07   ` Gerd Knorr
2002-02-22 13:50     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 10:42   ` Gadi Oxman
2002-02-22 13:45     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 14:03       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-22 14:12         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-22 14:20           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 14:16         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 14:38           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-22 14:46             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-22 14:47             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 14:58           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-22 15:01           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-22 15:12             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-23  8:05           ` Keith Owens
2002-02-23 14:55             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 14:16         ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-22 14:40           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-21 20:31             ` Gérard Roudier
2002-02-22 19:56               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-21 21:14                 ` Gérard Roudier
2002-02-22 22:35                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-22 21:34               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-22 21:45                 ` Greg KH
2002-02-22 21:56                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-22 21:59                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-22 23:06                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 14:45             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-21 20:39               ` Gérard Roudier
2002-02-22 19:47                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-21 21:01                   ` Gérard Roudier
2002-02-22 20:07                     ` Greg KH
2002-02-21 21:24                       ` Gérard Roudier
2002-02-22 20:41                         ` Greg KH
2002-02-22 21:30                           ` Erik Andersen
2002-02-22 21:42                             ` Greg KH
2002-02-22 21:54                               ` Erik Andersen
2002-02-22 21:22                         ` Erik Andersen
2002-02-21 23:17                           ` Gérard Roudier
2002-02-22 22:23                             ` Erik Andersen
2002-02-22 23:27                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-22 20:09                       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-22 20:29                         ` Greg KH
2002-02-22 20:34                           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-22 23:46                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-22 20:32                         ` arjan
2002-02-22 23:44                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-23 15:35                           ` [PATCH] 2.5.5 IDE cleanup 12 Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 23:59                         ` [PATCH] 2.5.5-pre1 IDE cleanup 9 Jeff Garzik
2002-02-22 19:46                   ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-22 20:06                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-22 20:19                       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-22 21:47                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-22 23:02                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 23:46                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-23 14:53                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 21:40                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-22 21:36                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-20 10:49 ` [PATCH] 2.5.5-pre1 IDE cleanup 10 Martin Dalecki
2002-02-21  9:39   ` [PATCH] 2.5.5 IDE cleanup 11 Martin Dalecki
2002-02-21 10:53     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-21 11:06       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-21 17:27       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-21 17:52         ` Alan Cox
2002-02-21 17:57           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-21 18:14             ` Alan Cox
2002-02-21 18:44               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-22 15:51               ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-21 13:59     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-21 17:32       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-21 17:50         ` Alan Cox
2002-02-21 18:17           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-21 21:24       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-21 21:30         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-22  9:25           ` Flash Back -- kernel 2.1.111 Andre Hedrick
2002-02-22 10:08             ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-22 10:09               ` Jens Axboe
2002-02-22 17:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-22 18:58                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-23 17:56                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-24  4:42                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-24  5:38                       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-24  6:01                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-24  7:30                           ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-24 12:18                             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-24 20:29                               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-24 20:32                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-24 21:15                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-02-24 21:11                                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-24 21:31                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-24 21:19                                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-24 21:25                                         ` nick
2002-02-24 21:32                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-24 21:42                                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 21:47                                               ` nick
2002-02-24 21:41                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 21:47                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-24 21:31                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-24 21:40                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 21:46                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-24 21:50                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 22:18                                     ` David S. Miller
2002-02-24 20:54                                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 21:19                                   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-24 21:37                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 22:03                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2002-02-24 22:08                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 22:23                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2002-02-24 22:37                                             ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-24 23:08                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-24 22:01                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-02-24 22:10                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 22:25                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2002-02-24 22:27                                         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-24 22:48                                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-25  8:49                                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-24 22:39                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 22:44                                           ` David S. Miller
2002-02-24 22:51                                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 22:59                                               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-24 23:02                                                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 23:26                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-02-27 15:59                                                     ` Remco Post
2002-02-24 23:12                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-24 23:10                                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-24 23:01                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-24 20:52                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 23:04                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-24  9:27                           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-24 12:28                           ` [PATCH] IDE clean 12 3rd attempt Martin Dalecki
2002-02-24 16:14                             ` Greg KH
2002-03-08 15:46                           ` [PATCH] 2.5.6 IDE 18 Martin Dalecki
2002-03-08 16:42                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-09 12:56                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-24 10:23                       ` Flash Back -- kernel 2.1.111 Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-24 12:14                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 12:40                 ` [PATCH] 2.5.6 IDE 19 Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 15:19                   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 16:23                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 16:58                       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 17:03                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 17:10                           ` Charles Cazabon
2002-03-11 17:30                           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 18:23                             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 19:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 18:00                           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 19:03                             ` Gunther Mayer [this message]
2002-03-11 19:14                               ` [PATCH] 2.5.6 IDE 19, return of taskfile Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 19:22                                 ` Gunther Mayer
2002-03-11 19:23                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  9:52                                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-03-11 19:47                               ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 19:38                                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 19:42                                   ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 19:55                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 20:02                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-13 12:55                                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-15 17:49                                       ` john slee
2002-03-16  2:26                                         ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-11 19:39                                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-12  1:48                           ` [PATCH] 2.5.6 IDE 19 Pavel Machek
2002-03-11 21:50                         ` Barry K. Nathan
2002-03-12  1:44                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-11 17:42                       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 18:08                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 18:05                           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-11 19:39                             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 22:02                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-11 22:01                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12  8:58                               ` Joachim Breuer
2002-03-11 22:06                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-11 22:10                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-11 18:06                           ` Wayne Whitney
2002-03-11 18:27                           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 18:51                             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 19:02                               ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 19:12                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 19:24                                   ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 19:30                                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 19:35                                       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 19:51                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-11 19:51                                           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 21:19                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11 22:44                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-13 19:19                                               ` David Ford
2002-03-12  0:00                                             ` Jos Hulzink
2002-03-12  5:17                                             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-11 19:27                                   ` Russell King
2002-03-11 17:53                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-03-11 19:04                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 21:02                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11 22:44                           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-12  0:47                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12  0:28                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-13 14:14                 ` [PATCH] IDE 21 Martin Dalecki
2002-03-13 17:42                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-02-22 10:12             ` Flash Back -- kernel 2.1.111 Pedro M. Rodrigues
2002-02-22 19:03               ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-22 19:56                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-22 19:38                   ` Andre Hedrick
2002-02-22 10:37             ` David S. Miller

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