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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Problems using new Linux-2.4 bitkeeper repository.
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:05:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C938966.3080302@mandrakesoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200203161608.g2GG8WC05423@localhost.localdomain> <3C9372BE.4000808@mandrakesoft.com> <20020316083059.A10086@work.bitmover.com> <3C9375B7.3070808@mandrakesoft.com> <20020316085213.B10086@work.bitmover.com> <3C937B82.60500@mandrakesoft.com> <20020316091452.E10086@work.bitmover.com> <3C938027.4040805@mandrakesoft.com> <20020316093832.F10086@work.bitmover.com>

Larry McVoy wrote:

>>I think a fair question would be, is this scenario going to occur often? 
>> I don't know.  But I'll bet you -will- see it come up again in kernel 
>>development.  Why?  We are exercising the distributed nature of the 
>>BitKeeper system.  The system currently punishes Joe in Alaska and 
>>Mikhail in Russia if they independently apply the same GNU patch, and 
>>then later on wind up attempting to converge trees.
>>
>
>Indeed.  So speak in file systems, because a BK package is basically a file
>system, with multiple distributed instances, all of which may be out of
>sync.  The problems show up when the same patch is applied N times and 
>then comes together.  The inodes collide.  Right now, you think that's
>the problem, and want BK to fix it.  We can fix that.  But that's not 
>the real problem.  The real problem is N sets of diffs being applied
>and then merged.  The revision history ends up with the data inserted N
>times.
>

Another thought, that I'm betting you laugh at me for even suggesting :)

Don't insert the data N times.  Give the user the option to say that one 
or more changesets are actually the same one.  In filesystem speak, 
unlink a file B which is a user-confirmed duplicate of file A, and 
re-create file B as a symlink to file A.  Or just unlink file B without 
the symlink, whichever metaphor suits you better.  :)

Yes it is "altering history"... but... OTOH the user has just told 
BitKeeper, in no uncertain terms, that he is altering history only to 
make it more correct.

 From a user interface perspective, the user would pick one of N 
changeset comments to be considered the "real" one.

    Jeff






  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-16 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-15  2:38 Problems using new Linux-2.4 bitkeeper repository James Bottomley
2002-03-15  4:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-16 16:08   ` James Bottomley
2002-03-16 16:28     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-16 16:30       ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-16 16:41         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-16 16:52           ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-16 17:06             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-16 17:14               ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-16 17:25                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-16 17:38                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-16 17:51                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-16 18:31                       ` Christer Weinigel
2002-03-16 18:05                     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-03-16 19:01                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-16 19:44                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-17 10:49                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-17 15:54                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-17 16:23                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-17 18:15                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-17 18:34                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-03-18 15:25                       ` Tom Rini
2002-03-16 17:17             ` James Bottomley

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