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From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>
Cc: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
	nahshon@actcom.co.il, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	joeja@mindspring.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: faster boots?
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:13:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CB1C1A3.2040206@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16tTAF-0008F2-00@the-village.bc.nu>	<200204080048.g380mt514749@lmail.actcom.co.il>	<200204080057.g380vbO00868@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca>	<16uSEQ-1XziYCC@fmrl04.sul.t-online.com> <200204081706.g38H62N14879@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca>

Richard Gooch wrote:
> Oliver Neukum writes:
> 
>>>>and spin-up on any operation that writes to the disk (and block that
>>>>operation).
>>>
>>>Absolutely not! I don't want my writes to spin up the drive.
>>
>>Even if you sync ?
> 
> 
> I'm undecided. I think it's good to have a way to let the user force a
> flush, but I don't like the same mechanism being used by applications
> which think they know better. So flushing on sync(2) or f*sync(2) is
> perhaps undesirable. Maybe the way to deal with this is to have:
> 
> - tunable flush time (i.e. how long to wait after a write(2) before
>   flushing, if the drive is currently unspun)
> 
> - tunable dirty pages limit (i.e. how many dirty pages allowed before
>   flushing)
> 
> - tunable "ignore *sync(2)" option. Default value is 0 (don't
>   ignore). When set to 1, ignore all calls to *sync(2).
> 
> So then on my 256 MiB laptop, I'd probably set the flush time to 3
> hours, the dirty page limit to 64 MiB, and ignore *sync(2). I'd write
> a suid-root programme which did:
> 	enable_sync ();
> 	sync ();
> 	disable_sync ();

Quite frankly the spin-up-down-up-down-up behaviour of linux on
notbooks even if I let them entierly alone is to say the leasy annoying...
And noflushd didn't help me a jota on this issue. Second I don't
think that going though this cycle even on desktop systems does
really help the reliability of the wearings of the driver. For
some reaons I wasn't able to find all the 1000 parameters one has
to set before the whole thing does shut properly. Curing this by
settign some "low water mark" for the number of allowed dirty pages
is curing the symptoms - if there are no system activities there
simply should be no chance for some crepping dirty pages if this is
still the case there are just chances that there are simple bugs out
there. kflushd should by no chance flush the caches just in case
without checking whatever there was some activity in an ideal world.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-04-08 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-04 23:54 faster boots? joeja
2002-04-05  0:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05  1:00   ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-04-05  0:26 ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-05  2:18   ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05  2:51     ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-05  3:00       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-05  3:21         ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05  5:38           ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05 12:49             ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05 16:33               ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05 23:02               ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-05 23:07                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-06  0:07                   ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-06  0:29                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-07 14:42                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08  0:48                       ` Itai Nahshon
2002-04-08  0:57                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08  1:14                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-04-08  4:17                             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-04-08  9:57                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08 16:43                               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-08 16:48                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-08 21:09                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-09  0:56                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-09 22:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-12 10:44                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-12 11:42                                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-12 14:29                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2002-04-14 19:40                                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-15 13:34                                             ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2002-04-08 17:08                             ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-08 17:49                               ` Rene Rebe
2002-04-08 18:02                                 ` G . Sumner Hayes
2002-04-08  6:02                           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-04-08 17:06                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08 16:13                               ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
2002-04-08 15:16                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08 17:32                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-08 18:31                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08 18:40                                 ` David Lang
2002-04-08 18:56                                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-08 19:06                                     ` David Lang
2002-04-08 19:27                                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-08  8:03                         ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-08 12:38                           ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-08 14:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-08  9:55                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-08 12:15                         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-08 12:09                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-04-05  6:14           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-04-05 12:45             ` Alan Cox
2002-04-05 13:04         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 21:33           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-04-05  5:26       ` Richard Gooch
2002-04-05  7:45   ` dean gaudet
2002-04-05 18:43     ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-04-05  0:44 ` Piotr Esden-Tempski
2002-04-05 13:37   ` Mauricio Nuñez
2002-04-05  1:11 ` Ross Vandegrift
2002-04-05  1:55 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-04-05 12:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-10  1:20   ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-04-05 19:08 ` Mark H. Wood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-05  2:10 joeja
2002-04-05  7:44 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-05 12:13   ` Thomas 'Dent' Mirlacher
2002-04-05 15:14   ` Luigi Genoni
2002-04-05  8:00 willy tarreau
2002-04-05 13:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 13:21   ` willy tarreau
2002-04-05 15:29     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-05 16:20       ` willy tarreau
2002-04-05 23:10     ` Itai Nahshon
     [not found] <3CACEF18.CE742314@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204042330270.10358-100000@twinlark.arctic.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-05  8:41   ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-05 18:23 Torrey Hoffman
2002-04-06 17:53 Re: " Alan Cox
2002-04-06 19:01 ` Joe
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204051403200.7124-100000@mhw.ULib.IUPUI.Edu >
2002-04-07 20:10 ` Stevie O

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