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From: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>
Cc: John Alvord <jalvo@mbay.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	davidm@hpl.hp.com, Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:03:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CC5B018.AE8E2F97@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0204221019280.20972-100000@otter.mbay.net> <3CC4861C.F21859A6@mvista.com> <20020422232627.GA5527@krispykreme>

Anton Blanchard wrote:
> 
> 
> > Please folks.  When can we put the "tick on demand" thing to bed?  If in
> > doubt, get the patch from the high-res-timers sourceforge site (see
> > signature for the URL) and try it.  Overhead becomes higher with system
> > load passing the ticked system at relatively light loads.  Just what we
> > want, very low overhead idle systems!
> >
> > The problem is in accounting (or time slicing if you prefer) where we
> > need to start a timer each time a task is context switched to, and stop
> > it when the task is switched away.  The overhead is purely in the set up
> > and tear down.  MOST of these never expire.
> 
> Did you work out where exactly the overhead was and if it was hardware
> specific? On ppc for example updating the timer is just a write to a cpu
> register.

It has nothing to do with hardware.  The over head is putting a timer
entry in the list and then removing it.  Almost all timers are canceled
before they expire.  Even with the O(1) timer list, this takes time and
when done at the context switch rate the time mounts rapidly.  And we
need at least one timer when we switch to a task.  In the test code I
only start a "slice" timer.  This means that a task that wants a
execution time signal may find the signal delayed by as much as a slice,
but it does keep the overhead lower.
> 
> Anton

-- 
George Anzinger   george@mvista.com
High-res-timers:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/high-res-timers/
Real time sched:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtsched/
Preemption patch: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml

  reply	other threads:[~2002-04-23 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-16  7:47 Why HZ on i386 is 100 ? Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16  8:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-04-16  8:18   ` BALBIR SINGH
2002-04-16 10:29     ` Liam Girdwood
2002-04-16 10:01       ` Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16 13:35         ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 13:38           ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:55             ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 15:32             ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-16 16:12               ` Chris Friesen
2002-04-16 17:12               ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:58           ` Alan Cox
2002-04-17  0:22             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-04-16 16:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-16 16:50           ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 17:18             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-16 17:52               ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 18:10                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  0:49               ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17  0:57                 ` Robert Love
2002-04-17  1:07                   ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  5:18                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-17  5:34                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-17  6:01                       ` Robert Love
2002-04-17  6:17                         ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17  7:59                         ` arjan
2002-04-17  8:04                         ` Matti Aarnio
2002-04-23 22:42                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-17 10:12                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-04-18  1:51                   ` Dan Mann
2002-04-17  1:22                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  3:19                 ` Ben Greear
2002-04-17  7:55                 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-21 18:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-22 17:20                   ` John Alvord
2002-04-22 21:52                     ` george anzinger
2002-04-22 23:06                       ` J.D. Bakker
2002-04-22 23:26                       ` Anton Blanchard
2002-04-23 19:03                         ` george anzinger [this message]
2002-04-23  7:08                       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-22 17:24                   ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 12:42     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 12:31   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 14:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-16 21:34 ` bert hubert
2002-04-16 22:21   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-16 22:37     ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-16 22:56       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-17  0:34         ` J. Dow
2002-04-17  2:40         ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-17 12:44       ` Kent Borg
2002-04-17  8:28     ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches. Was " bert hubert
2002-04-17 11:05       ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches Tim Schmielau
2002-04-17 11:12         ` bert hubert
2002-04-17 12:33           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-17 12:42             ` bert hubert
2002-04-17 14:57               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-17 11:09       ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches. Was Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ? Wakko Warner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-16 10:41 Cabaniols, Sebastien
2002-04-17  0:33 Chen, Kenneth W
2002-04-17  1:02 ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found] <3CC4861C.F21859A6@mvista.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <E16zuPf-0007yD-00@the-village.bc.nu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-23  7:17   ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-23 19:09     ` george anzinger
2002-04-24  1:42       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-24 20:20         ` george anzinger
2002-04-27 20:26           ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28  6:02             ` george anzinger
2002-04-28  9:12               ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 17:34                 ` george anzinger
2002-04-28 18:59                   ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 21:50                     ` george anzinger
2002-04-29  0:14                       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-23 19:24     ` george anzinger
2002-04-23 19:35       ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-24 17:25         ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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