From: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:09:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CC5B17B.4E9ACA7C@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3CC4861C.F21859A6@mvista.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <E16zuPf-0007yD-00@the-village.bc.nu.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <p73g01m994q.fsf@oldwotan.suse.de>
Andi Kleen wrote:
>
> Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes:
>
> > > The problem is in accounting (or time slicing if you prefer) where we
> > > need to start a timer each time a task is context switched to, and stop
> > > it when the task is switched away. The overhead is purely in the set up
> > > and tear down. MOST of these never expire.
> >
> > Done properly on many platforms a variable tick is very very easy and also
> > very efficient to handle. X86 is a paticular problem case because the timer
> > is so expensive to fiddle with
>
> Depends. On modern x86 you can either use the local APIC timer or
> the mmtimers (ftp://download.intel.com/ial/home/sp/mmts097.pdf -
> should be in newer x86 chipsets). Both should be better than the
> 8254 timer and are also not expensive to work with.
I must not be making my self clear :) The overhead has nothing to do
with hardware. It is all timer list insertion and deletion. The
problem is that we need to do this at context switch rates, which are
MUCH higher that tick rates and, even with the O(1) insertion code,
cause the overhead to increase above the ticked overhead.
-g
>
> -Andi
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George Anzinger george@mvista.com
High-res-timers: http://sourceforge.net/projects/high-res-timers/
Real time sched: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtsched/
Preemption patch: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml
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[not found] ` <E16zuPf-0007yD-00@the-village.bc.nu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-23 7:17 ` Why HZ on i386 is 100 ? Andi Kleen
2002-04-23 19:09 ` george anzinger [this message]
2002-04-24 1:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-24 20:20 ` george anzinger
2002-04-27 20:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 6:02 ` george anzinger
2002-04-28 9:12 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 17:34 ` george anzinger
2002-04-28 18:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 21:50 ` george anzinger
2002-04-29 0:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-23 19:24 ` george anzinger
2002-04-23 19:35 ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-24 17:25 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-04-17 0:33 Chen, Kenneth W
2002-04-17 1:02 ` Davide Libenzi
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-16 10:41 Cabaniols, Sebastien
2002-04-16 7:47 Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16 8:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-04-16 8:18 ` BALBIR SINGH
2002-04-16 10:29 ` Liam Girdwood
2002-04-16 10:01 ` Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16 13:35 ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 13:38 ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:55 ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 15:32 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-16 16:12 ` Chris Friesen
2002-04-16 17:12 ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-17 0:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-04-16 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-16 16:50 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 17:18 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-16 17:52 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 18:10 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17 0:49 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17 0:57 ` Robert Love
2002-04-17 1:07 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17 5:18 ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-17 5:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-17 6:01 ` Robert Love
2002-04-17 6:17 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17 7:59 ` arjan
2002-04-17 8:04 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-04-23 22:42 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-17 10:12 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-04-18 1:51 ` Dan Mann
2002-04-17 1:22 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17 3:19 ` Ben Greear
2002-04-17 7:55 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-21 18:00 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-22 17:20 ` John Alvord
2002-04-22 21:52 ` george anzinger
2002-04-22 23:06 ` J.D. Bakker
2002-04-22 23:26 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-04-23 19:03 ` george anzinger
2002-04-23 7:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-22 17:24 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 12:42 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 12:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 14:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-16 21:34 ` bert hubert
2002-04-16 22:21 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-16 22:37 ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-16 22:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-17 0:34 ` J. Dow
2002-04-17 2:40 ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-17 12:44 ` Kent Borg
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