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From: Dave Engebretsen <engebret@vnet.ibm.com>
To: justincarlson@cmu.edu
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Memory Barrier Definitions
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 21:49:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CD89247.8ECB01A4@vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E175BY8-0008S4-00@the-village.bc.nu> <1020809750.13627.24.camel@gs256.sp.cs.cmu.edu>

justincarlson@cmu.edu wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 16:27, Alan Cox wrote:
> > and our current heirarchy is a little bit more squashed than that. I'd
> > agree. We actually hit a corner case of this on the IDT winchip x86 where
> > we run relaxed store ordering and have to define wmb() as a locked add of
> > zero to the top of stack - which does have a penalty that isnt needed
> > for CPU ordering.
> >
> > How much of this impacts Mips64 ?
> 
> In terms of the MIPS{32|64} ISA, the current primitives seem fine;
> there's only 1 option defined in the ISA:  'sync'.  Order for all
> off-cache accesses is guaranteed around a sync.
> 
> It gets a bit more complicated when you talk about what particular
> implementations do, and ordering rules for uncached vs cached accesses,
> but to the best of my knowledge there aren't any fundamental problems as
> described for the PPC.
> 
> -Justin

PPC also guarantees every ordering when using the 'sync' instruction, so
that will give correctness at the price of a 1000 cycles or so.  You
refer to different rules for cached vs uncached on other implementations
-- that is the essence of our problem.  Are there different barrier
instructions in MIPS which provide different levels of performance for
different ordering enforcements?

Dave.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-08  2:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-07 19:07 Memory Barrier Definitions Dave Engebretsen
2002-05-07 19:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 19:53   ` Dave Engebretsen
2002-05-07 20:27     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 21:23       ` Dave Engebretsen
2002-05-07 22:15       ` justincarlson
2002-05-08  2:49         ` Dave Engebretsen [this message]
2002-05-08 13:54           ` Justin Carlson
2002-05-08 15:27           ` Dave Engebretsen
2002-05-08 15:49             ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-08 17:07             ` David Mosberger
2002-05-09  7:36               ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-09  8:01                 ` Keith Owens
2002-05-09 15:00                 ` David Mosberger
2002-05-13  3:26                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-13 16:36                     ` David Mosberger
2002-05-13 16:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-13 17:53                         ` David Mosberger
2002-05-13 23:28                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-07 22:57       ` Anton Blanchard
2002-05-13 18:16         ` Jesse Barnes
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-09 11:33 Manfred Spraul
2002-05-09 19:38 ` Dave Engebretsen

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