From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Jauder Ho <jauderho@carumba.com>
Cc: benh@kernel.crashing.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Padraig Brady <padraig@antefacto.com>,
Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:13:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CD8DE35.9090207@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205071025060.24481-100000@twinlark.arctic.org>
Uz.ytkownik Jauder Ho napisa?:
> Ben, what you are proposing is fairly similar to what Solaris does today.
> There is a /devices directory that contains the real path while /dev
> contains the legacy stuff. Seems to work fine and given the proper docs,
> you can decipher what the /devices path points to fairly easily. So I
> certainly wouldnt mind seeing this happen for Linux eventually.
Amen, We would only have to add a device special file
to some of the /devices Stuff and /dev/ could be a symlink tree
pointing there...
I have *intentionally* named the standard mounting point
of the devicefs /devices the time I added the description
how to mount it to the driver-model.txt. The following words
are from *me*:
This can be done permanently by providing the following entry into the
/dev/fstab (under the provision that the mount point does exist, of course):
none /devices driverfs defaults 0 0
Or by hand on the command line:
~: mount -t driverfs none /devices
>
> --Jauder
>
> On Tue, 7 May 2002 benh@kernel.crashing.org wrote:
>
>
>>> /driverfs/root/pci0/00:1f.4/usb_bus/000/
>>>
>>>and it wouldn't be impossible (or even necessarily very hard) to make an
>>>IDE controller export the "IDE device tree" the same way a USB controller
>>>now exports the "USB device tree".
>>>
>>>For things like hotplug etc, I think driverfs is eventually the only way
>>>to go, simply because it gives you the full (and unambiguous) path to
>>>_any_ device, and is completely bus-agnostic.
>>>
>>>But there is definitely a potential backwards-compatibility-issue.
>>
>>One interesting thing here would be to have some optional link between
>>the bus-oriented device tree and the function-oriented tree (ie. devfs
>>or simply /dev). For example, an IDE node in driverfs could eventually
>>hold symlinks to the entries it provides in /dev when using devfs (or
>>just provide major/minor when not using devfs).
>>
>>What do you think ?
>>
>>One problem I've been faced with on ppc is to be able to match
>>a linux device with what the firmware (Open Firmware) thinks that
>>device is. The firmware view is bus-centered and it would be pretty
>>easy to provide some additional entries in driverfs that give the
>>OF fullpath of a given device. But then, the link between the actual
>>driver in driverfs and the "device" as used by, for example, the
>>filesystem isn't trivial.
>>
>>Ben.
>>
>>
>>
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2002-05-06 3:53 Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-06 6:30 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-06 6:51 ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-06 15:13 ` Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 4:28 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-09 3:53 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-09 4:34 ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-09 6:02 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-06 6:47 ` Linux-2.5.14 bert hubert
2002-05-06 7:07 ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-06 14:00 ` Linux-2.5.14 Rik van Riel
2002-05-06 9:09 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 55 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-06 17:48 ` David Lang
2002-05-06 22:40 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:10 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:31 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:31 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 10:34 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 11:19 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 12:36 ` Andrey Panin
2002-05-07 11:32 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 0:03 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:12 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:40 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:42 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 11:22 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:02 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 13:15 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:30 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 15:08 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 15:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 16:20 ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-07 15:26 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 21:36 ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-08 0:25 ` Guest section DW
2002-05-08 3:03 ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-08 9:03 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 10:51 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 16:29 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:29 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-08 7:48 ` Juan Quintela
2002-05-08 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 17:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:19 ` benh
2002-05-07 17:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:30 ` benh
2002-05-10 1:45 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-05-07 17:43 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:40 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 23:54 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-08 6:57 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-08 9:37 ` Ian Molton
2002-05-09 13:58 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-08 8:21 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 17:27 ` Jauder Ho
2002-05-08 8:13 ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
2002-05-07 18:29 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 18:02 ` Greg KH
2002-05-07 18:44 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:44 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 19:21 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 19:58 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 18:49 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-05-07 19:47 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 22:03 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-08 8:14 ` Russell King
2002-05-08 16:07 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-08 17:07 ` Russell King
2002-05-08 8:18 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 8:07 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 7:58 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:18 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 11:09 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 11:23 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-09 2:37 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09 3:10 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-09 10:05 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09 18:50 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-10 0:33 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-10 0:48 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-10 1:06 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-13 17:51 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-14 21:44 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-10 6:50 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-10 7:15 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14IDE 56) Andrew Morton
2002-05-10 7:21 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-10 8:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-10 10:14 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-10 12:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-11 3:23 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-13 11:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-13 23:58 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-14 0:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-14 2:43 ` O_DIRECT on 2.4.19pre8aa2 md device Lincoln Dale
2002-05-21 15:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-22 1:18 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-22 2:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-06-03 4:53 ` high-end i/o performance of 2.4.19pre8aa2 (was: Re: O_DIRECT on 2.4.19pre8aa2 device) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-12 11:23 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14IDE 56) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-13 11:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-10 15:55 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 1:01 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 18:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:19 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-11 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-11 18:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 21:42 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 18:43 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-05-11 23:38 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-12 0:36 ` yodaiken
2002-05-12 2:40 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-11 18:26 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 Alan Cox
2002-05-11 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:45 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) yodaiken
2002-05-11 19:55 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 Bernd Eckenfels
2002-05-11 14:18 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-05-11 14:24 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-11 18:25 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 20:17 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-11 22:27 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 23:17 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09 4:16 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Andre Hedrick
2002-05-09 13:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-09 14:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 18:21 ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-08 18:59 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-08 19:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 21:16 ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-08 22:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-09 13:13 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-09 19:22 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-10 12:01 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-09 13:18 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-07 17:10 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-05-08 7:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 17:22 ` Greg KH
2002-05-08 18:46 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-07 11:27 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 57 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 13:16 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 12:34 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 13:56 ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-05-07 14:04 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 13:57 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 14:08 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 13:11 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:29 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 13:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 15:08 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 16:51 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-08 3:38 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-08 11:47 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 15:07 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 17:21 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-11 14:09 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-05-07 15:03 ` [PATCH] IDE 58 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 6:42 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-05-08 8:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 10:37 ` Bjorn Wesen
2002-05-08 10:16 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-08 19:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-08 20:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 19:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-08 20:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 20:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 20:20 ` Ian Molton
2002-05-08 20:36 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-08 20:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-08 20:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 12:14 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-09 15:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-05-09 20:20 ` Ian Molton
2002-05-08 11:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 19:58 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 59 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-11 4:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-11 16:59 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 60 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-11 18:47 ` Pierre Rousselet
2002-05-11 19:12 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-11 19:52 ` Pierre Rousselet
2002-05-11 23:48 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-12 19:19 ` pdc202xx.c fails to compile in 2.5.15 Zlatko Calusic
2002-05-12 19:40 ` Jurriaan on Alpha
2002-05-12 22:00 ` Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-13 12:03 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-13 9:48 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 12:17 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 62 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 13:48 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 13:02 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 15:38 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 15:45 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-13 16:55 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 16:00 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 18:02 ` benh
2002-05-13 15:50 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 17:52 ` benh
2002-05-13 15:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 19:13 ` benh
2002-05-14 8:48 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-17 11:40 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-17 2:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-13 15:36 ` Tom Rini
2002-05-14 10:26 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 62a Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 10:28 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 63 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 12:04 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 64 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 13:12 ` Russell King
2002-05-15 12:14 ` Martin Dalecki
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2002-05-08 21:14 [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Andries.Brouwer
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