From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com
Cc: Lincoln Dale <ltd@cisco.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Gerrit Huizenga <gh@us.ibm.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>,
Padraig Brady <padraig@antefacto.com>,
Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:40:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CDDD614.FA8A4AB9@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020511111935.B30126@work.bitmover.com> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205111130080.879-100000@home.transmeta.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020512092751.02bcca40@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com> <20020511183616.A10381@hq.fsmlabs.com>
yodaiken@fsmlabs.com wrote:
>
> We did some i/o profiling about 6 years ago on a big scientific
> app that had started in fortran and had been rewritten in c++
> the fortran code used r/w on files and used temp files
> the c++ did memmaps and had big data structures - taking advantage of
> memory management.
> one thing I thought was interesting is that it was easy to see how a smart
> algorithm, not even such a smart one, could adapt i/o to the patterns of
> i/o in the fortran code, but the c++ i/o patters were really complex.
>
> when everything goes into the page cache, it seems like you will loose
> information.
>
That is certainly the case. If the application is seekily writing
to a file then we currently lay the file out on-disk in the order
in which the application seeked. So reading the file back
linearly is very slow.
Now this is not necessarily a bad thing - if the file was created
seekily then it will probably be _used_ seekily so no big
loss probably.
This problem is pretty unsolvable for filesystems which map blocks
to their disk address at write(2) time. It can be solved for
allocate-on-flush filesystems via a sort of the dirty page list,
or by maintaining ->dirty_pages in a tree or whatever.
There is one "file" where this problem really does matter - the
blockdev mapping "/dev/hda1". It is both highly fragmented and
poorly sorted on the dirty_pages list.
It's pretty trivial to perform a sillysort at writeout time:
if we just wrote page N and the next page isn't N+1 then do a
pagecache probe for "N+1". That's probably sufficient. If
not, there's a simple little sort routine over at
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/algorithms/listsort.html
which is appropriate to our lists.
I'll be taking a look at the sillysort option once I've cleared away
some other I/O scheduling glitches.
-
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Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-05-06 3:53 Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-06 6:30 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-06 6:51 ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-06 15:13 ` Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 4:28 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-09 3:53 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-09 4:34 ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-09 6:02 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-06 6:47 ` Linux-2.5.14 bert hubert
2002-05-06 7:07 ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-06 14:00 ` Linux-2.5.14 Rik van Riel
2002-05-06 9:09 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 55 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-06 17:48 ` David Lang
2002-05-06 22:40 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:10 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:31 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:31 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 10:34 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 11:19 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 12:36 ` Andrey Panin
2002-05-07 11:32 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 0:03 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:12 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:40 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:42 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 11:22 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:02 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 13:15 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:30 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 15:08 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 15:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 16:20 ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-07 15:26 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 21:36 ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-08 0:25 ` Guest section DW
2002-05-08 3:03 ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-08 9:03 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 10:51 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 16:29 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:29 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-08 7:48 ` Juan Quintela
2002-05-08 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 17:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:19 ` benh
2002-05-07 17:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:30 ` benh
2002-05-10 1:45 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-05-07 17:43 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:40 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 23:54 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-08 6:57 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-08 9:37 ` Ian Molton
2002-05-09 13:58 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-08 8:21 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 17:27 ` Jauder Ho
2002-05-08 8:13 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 18:29 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 18:02 ` Greg KH
2002-05-07 18:44 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:44 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 19:21 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 19:58 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 18:49 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-05-07 19:47 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 22:03 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-08 8:14 ` Russell King
2002-05-08 16:07 ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-08 17:07 ` Russell King
2002-05-08 8:18 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 8:07 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 7:58 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:18 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 11:09 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 11:23 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-09 2:37 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09 3:10 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-09 10:05 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09 18:50 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-10 0:33 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-10 0:48 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-10 1:06 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-13 17:51 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-14 21:44 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-10 6:50 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-10 7:15 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14IDE 56) Andrew Morton
2002-05-10 7:21 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-10 8:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-10 10:14 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-10 12:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-11 3:23 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-13 11:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-13 23:58 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-14 0:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-14 2:43 ` O_DIRECT on 2.4.19pre8aa2 md device Lincoln Dale
2002-05-21 15:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-22 1:18 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-22 2:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-06-03 4:53 ` high-end i/o performance of 2.4.19pre8aa2 (was: Re: O_DIRECT on 2.4.19pre8aa2 device) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-12 11:23 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14IDE 56) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-13 11:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-10 15:55 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 1:01 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 18:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:19 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-11 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-11 18:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 21:42 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 18:43 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-05-11 23:38 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-12 0:36 ` yodaiken
2002-05-12 2:40 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-05-11 18:26 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 Alan Cox
2002-05-11 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:45 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) yodaiken
2002-05-11 19:55 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 Bernd Eckenfels
2002-05-11 14:18 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-05-11 14:24 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-11 18:25 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 20:17 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-11 22:27 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 23:17 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09 4:16 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Andre Hedrick
2002-05-09 13:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-09 14:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 18:21 ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-08 18:59 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-08 19:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 21:16 ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-08 22:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-09 13:13 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-09 19:22 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-10 12:01 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-09 13:18 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-07 17:10 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-05-08 7:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 17:22 ` Greg KH
2002-05-08 18:46 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-07 11:27 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 57 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 13:16 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 12:34 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 13:56 ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-05-07 14:04 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 13:57 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 14:08 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 13:11 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:29 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 13:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 15:08 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 16:51 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-08 3:38 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-08 11:47 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 15:07 ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 17:21 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-11 14:09 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-05-07 15:03 ` [PATCH] IDE 58 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 6:42 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-05-08 8:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 10:37 ` Bjorn Wesen
2002-05-08 10:16 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-08 19:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-08 20:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 19:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-08 20:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 20:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 20:20 ` Ian Molton
2002-05-08 20:36 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-08 20:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-08 20:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 12:14 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-09 15:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-05-09 20:20 ` Ian Molton
2002-05-08 11:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 19:58 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 59 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-11 4:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-11 16:59 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 60 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-11 18:47 ` Pierre Rousselet
2002-05-11 19:12 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-11 19:52 ` Pierre Rousselet
2002-05-11 23:48 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-12 19:19 ` pdc202xx.c fails to compile in 2.5.15 Zlatko Calusic
2002-05-12 19:40 ` Jurriaan on Alpha
2002-05-12 22:00 ` Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-13 12:03 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-13 9:48 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 12:17 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 62 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 13:48 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 13:02 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 15:38 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 15:45 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-13 16:55 ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 16:00 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 18:02 ` benh
2002-05-13 15:50 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 17:52 ` benh
2002-05-13 15:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 19:13 ` benh
2002-05-14 8:48 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-17 11:40 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-17 2:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-13 15:36 ` Tom Rini
2002-05-14 10:26 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 62a Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 10:28 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 63 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 12:04 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 64 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 13:12 ` Russell King
2002-05-15 12:14 ` Martin Dalecki
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