Cannot write a 90' cd

Cannot write a 90' cd

[Jorge Nerin]

Hello, I tried with kernels 2.5.16, 2.5.15 and 2.4.18 with a ide cdburner:

scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
   Vendor: SAMSUNG   Model: CD-R/RW SW-208B   Rev: BS03
   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02

with cdrecord --version
Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
but it's a 1.11a21, and a 2x200mmx 96Mb. and the results were rather disapointing:

- 2.5.15 & 2.5.16 both hung my machine the moment cdrecord tried to write.
- 2.4.18 wrote ok, until 702MB, then a scsi stopped the procces, detailed log of 
the cdrecord session follows:

Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: '0,0,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22
Using libscg version 'schily-0.6'
atapi: 1
Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
Version        : 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info    : 'SAMSUNG '
Identifikation : 'CD-R/RW SW-208B '
Revision       : 'BS03'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO
Supported modes: TAO PACKET RAW/R16 RAW/R96R
FIFO size      : 25165824 = 24576 KB
Track 01: data  753 MB
Total size:     865 MB (85:43.10) = 385733 sectors
Lout start:     865 MB (85:45/08) = 385733 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
   ATIP start of lead in:  -11526 (97:28/24)
   ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
Disk type:    Long strategy type (Cyanine, AZO or similar)
Manuf. index: 13
Manufacturer: Multi Media Masters & Machinary SA
Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: -25884
cdrecord: WARNING: Data may not fit on current disk.
cdrecord: Notice: Overburning active. Trying to write more than the official 
disk capacity.
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 8 in write mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01: 702 of 753 MB written (fifo 100%) 8.1x.cdrecord: Input/output error. 
write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 05 7D 89 00 00 1F 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 63 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x63 Qual 0x00 (end of user area encountered on this track) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.004s timeout 40s

write track data: error after 736905216 bytes
Sense Bytes: 70 00 03 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 73 04 00 00 00 00
Writing  time:  607.270s
Fixating...
Fixating time:   44.250s
cdrecord: fifo had 11990 puts and 11608 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 11261 times full, min fill was 98%.

Note that this was a traxdata 90' silver cd, in the instructions they said that 
it will be detected as a 80' and that you should enable overburnung, cdrecord 
without options said that -overburn should be active, this session is with 
-overburn active.

I don't have more 90' cd to try. I only managed to get one.

-- 
Jorge Nerin
<comandante@zaralinux.com>

Re: Cannot write a 90' cd

[Vojtech Pavlik]

On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 12:15:07AM +0200, Jorge Nerin wrote:
> Hello, I tried with kernels 2.5.16, 2.5.15 and 2.4.18 with a ide cdburner:
> 
> scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
>    Vendor: SAMSUNG   Model: CD-R/RW SW-208B   Rev: BS03
>    Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> 
> with cdrecord --version
> Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
> but it's a 1.11a21, and a 2x200mmx 96Mb. and the results were rather disapointing:
> 
> - 2.5.15 & 2.5.16 both hung my machine the moment cdrecord tried to write.
> - 2.4.18 wrote ok, until 702MB, then a scsi stopped the procces, detailed log of 
> the cdrecord session follows:
> Note that this was a traxdata 90' silver cd, in the instructions they said that 
> it will be detected as a 80' and that you should enable overburnung, cdrecord 
> without options said that -overburn should be active, this session is with 
> -overburn active.
> 
> I don't have more 90' cd to try. I only managed to get one.

90 minute CD-Rs have a tighter leading track, and only some CD-R drives
are able to cope with that. For example my Ricoh doesn't, failing some
54 minutes after start. There is nothing you can do about that.

-- 
Vojtech Pavlik
SuSE Labs

Re: Cannot write a 90' cd

[Jorge Nerin]

Vojtech Pavlik wrote:
> 
> 90 minute CD-Rs have a tighter leading track, and only some CD-R drives
> are able to cope with that. For example my Ricoh doesn't, failing some
> 54 minutes after start. There is nothing you can do about that.
> 

It could be that, but I suspect something strange, the cd reports itself to be 
about 80', then cdrecord is unable to write past this 80', after cdrecord 
fixates the cd and ejects it I can see that there is still a virgin zone of 
about 5 milimeters at the edge of the disk.

On the other hand I have been able to overburn some cd to gain about half a 
minute when needed, but these were 74 or 80 minutes media.

The most strange thing is the scsi error, "no error":

Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 05 7D 89 00 00 1F 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 63 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x63 Qual 0x00 (end of user area encountered on this track) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.004s timeout 40s

-- 
Jorge Nerin
<comandante@zaralinux.com>

Re: Cannot write a 90' cd

[Marc Wilson]

On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 01:25:25AM +0200, Jorge Nerin wrote:
> Vojtech Pavlik wrote:
> >
> >90 minute CD-Rs have a tighter leading track, and only some CD-R drives
> >are able to cope with that. For example my Ricoh doesn't, failing some
> >54 minutes after start. There is nothing you can do about that.
> >
> 
> It could be that, but I suspect something strange, the cd reports itself to 
> be about 80', then cdrecord is unable to write past this 80', after 
> cdrecord fixates the cd and ejects it I can see that there is still a 
> virgin zone of about 5 milimeters at the edge of the disk.

Not all drives have firmware that does good support for overburning.  My
NEC 7700A will never burn beyond the encoded time in the ATIP, no matter
what you do.  I wasted several 90 min discs before I figured this out.

It has an artificial block. :)

> Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
> CDB:  2A 00 00 05 7D 89 00 00 1F 00
> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 63 00 00 00
> Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
> Sense Code: 0x63 Qual 0x00 (end of user area encountered on this track) Fru 
> 0x0
> Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
> cmd finished after 0.004s timeout 40s

Yep, that's what I used to see before I stopped trying to do it with THAT
drive. :)

-- 
Marc Wilson
msw@cox.net

Re: Cannot write a 90' cd

[Ricky Beam]

On Fri, 24 May 2002, Jorge Nerin wrote:
>It could be that, but I suspect something strange, the cd reports itself to be
>about 80', then cdrecord is unable to write past this 80', after cdrecord
>fixates the cd and ejects it I can see that there is still a virgin zone of
>about 5 milimeters at the edge of the disk.

Are you sure the head can move that far out on the disk?  What you are doing
is far beyond any CD-ROM specs.

>The most strange thing is the scsi error, "no error":

That is referring to the "sendcmd" (i.e. the OS did not have a problem
executing the request, the drive idicated a fault.)

>CDB:  2A 00 00 05 7D 89 00 00 1F 00
>status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
>Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 63 00 00 00
>Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
>Sense Code: 0x63 Qual 0x00 (end of user area encountered on this track) Fru 0x0

The sense data cannot be any more to the point.

Check with the drive manufacturer to see if it can write off the edge of the
disk. (It's rumored some plextor drives are able to continue writing off the
end of the disk into the air :-)  Somehow I doubt the last bit, but all of
mine have continued writing as long as they have a surface on which to
focus the laser.)

--Ricky

Re: Cannot write a 90' cd

[Ricky Beam]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Ricky Beam wrote:
>Check with the drive manufacturer to see if it can write off the edge of the
>disk. (It's rumored some plextor drives are able to continue writing off the
>end of the disk into the air :-)  Somehow I doubt the last bit, but all of
>mine have continued writing as long as they have a surface on which to
>focus the laser.)

See Also:
  http://www.samsungelectronics.com/odd/cdrw/sw_208b.html

The 208 doesn't support 90 minute CD-R's.  And it doesn't support overburn
(according to Nero.)  The 216 supports both.

--Ricky