From: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
To: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
yodaiken@fsmlabs.com, Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
"Albert D. Cahalan" <acahalan@cs.uml.edu>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:18:44 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CF15F44.3496BE7C@opersys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020526082142.C18843@hq.fsmlabs.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205261722570.17583-100000@serv> <20020526105506.A20002@hq.fsmlabs.com> <3CF122CA.EFE2D328@opersys.com> <20020526112951.B30610@work.bitmover.com> <3CF1578E.774DF802@opersys.com> <20020526180721.A28052@mark.mielke.cc>
Mark Mielke wrote:
> > In one single mail about the rtlinux patent issue you have to tell me 5 times
> > to see a lawyer and you expect developers to actually evaluate Linux for real
> > use in real-time apps?
>
> I doubt developers spend much time evaluating any more than the technical
> details.
Depends on the type of development you're doing, but future viability and
basic legal implications are certainly part any good engineering study.
> Developers shouldn't be expected to evaluate fields that are not within
> their expertise. No sensible company would put the ball entirely in the
> court of one or three developers.
True, and upon asking the lawyers, the company would tell the developers
that they don't have the green light to use Linux. Which gets us back
right where we started.
Karim
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Karim Yaghmour
karim@opersys.com
Embedded and Real-Time Linux Expert
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-05-26 22:20 UTC|newest]
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[not found] ` <3CEDF94C.592636A6@kegel.com>
[not found] ` <3CEDFCED.D10CD618@zip.com.au>
[not found] ` <3CEE806D.D52FBEA5@kegel.com>
2002-05-24 20:26 ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-24 21:18 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-24 21:18 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-24 21:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-24 23:05 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-24 23:22 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-24 23:53 ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-25 4:31 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 4:44 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 5:20 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 5:39 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 6:05 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 7:59 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-05-25 16:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 16:20 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 16:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 16:41 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 22:47 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 1:06 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-26 5:45 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:47 ` Kurt Wall
2002-05-25 18:13 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 19:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 18:32 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 18:38 ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 17:49 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 20:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 20:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-26 2:53 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 2:17 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-25 20:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:19 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 17:50 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:02 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 18:26 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:44 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 19:04 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 19:52 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 20:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 20:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 21:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:20 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 21:23 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 2:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 3:33 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 23:16 ` Robert Schwebel
[not found] ` <200205260255.g4Q2tkM62553@saturn.cs.uml.edu>
2002-05-26 5:48 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-27 5:28 ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-05-27 22:12 ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 21:14 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 2:09 ` David Schleef
2002-05-26 3:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 3:45 ` David Schleef
2002-05-26 4:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 19:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 19:06 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 20:17 ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-26 20:33 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 21:33 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 20:44 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 9:13 ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]y Der Herr Hofrat
2002-05-26 14:13 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 16:31 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 3:58 ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Alexander Viro
2002-05-26 4:13 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 7:30 ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-26 14:42 ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 16:17 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 16:27 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 18:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 18:22 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 18:33 ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-25 18:45 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 23:27 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 19:14 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 19:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 18:30 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 18:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:22 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-05-25 21:33 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 21:39 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 21:55 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 22:13 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 22:17 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 23:10 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 23:54 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-26 4:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 6:25 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 23:56 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 3:40 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 8:05 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 8:58 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-25 22:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2002-05-25 22:34 ` Erwin Rol
2002-05-25 23:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 23:37 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 23:46 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 0:01 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 10:11 ` David Woodhouse
2002-05-26 13:04 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 13:26 ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 14:09 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 14:21 ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 15:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 16:55 ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 18:00 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 18:29 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-26 21:45 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 21:58 ` Wolfgang Denk
2002-05-26 22:12 ` Erwin Rol
2002-05-26 22:34 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 22:07 ` Mark Mielke
2002-05-26 22:18 ` Karim Yaghmour [this message]
2002-05-26 18:20 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 15:58 ` Nicholas Knight
2002-05-27 2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 22:58 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 0:48 ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-26 5:31 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 10:19 ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-25 6:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 4:48 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 5:00 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 9:02 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:34 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-24 23:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 3:13 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 3:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 3:46 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 4:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 4:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-25 4:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 5:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-25 4:52 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-25 9:08 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 20:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-26 2:51 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 4:11 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-26 19:37 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-26 20:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-27 15:27 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-25 22:33 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-26 0:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 20:34 ` Pierre Cloutier
2002-05-26 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-25 21:03 ` Pierre Cloutier
2002-05-26 0:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-26 3:12 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-26 4:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-26 4:25 ` yodaiken
2002-05-26 13:50 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-05-26 3:28 ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP - Warning actual technical content yodaiken
2002-05-26 3:36 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 4:00 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-26 5:38 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-05-26 1:21 ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Roman Zippel
2002-05-26 5:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-05-27 4:12 ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-05-25 9:05 ` Robert Schwebel
2002-05-25 8:59 ` Realtime Linux Situation Robert Schwebel
2002-05-24 21:57 ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Andreas Dilger
2002-05-24 22:37 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 23:09 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-05-27 17:36 ` Siemens powermanagment patent? [was Re: patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)]] Pavel Machek
2002-05-27 21:36 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 21:56 ` patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17)] Alexander Viro
2002-05-24 22:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-24 22:53 ` Alexander Viro
2002-05-27 21:52 Adam J. Richter
2002-05-27 23:26 ` Alan Cox
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2002-05-28 6:29 peter
2002-05-28 11:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-29 11:25 Robert Kaiser
2002-05-30 22:37 patent on O_ATOMICLOOKUP [Re: [PATCH] loopable tmpfs (2.4.17) ] Ed Vance
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