From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PCI DMA to small buffers on cache-incoherent arch
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:12:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D061363.70500@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D058B41.6010601@pacbell.net> <20020610.224401.13280464.davem@redhat.com>
> One question is whether to support only one of them, or allow both.
> In either case the DMA-mapping.txt will need to touch on the issue.
>
> Another important issue is from where do these issues originate?
>
> This stuff rarely happens most of the time because block buffers and
> networking buffers are what are fed to the chip.
I think the examples Oliver found related mostly to device control
and status tracking.
> I still think it is crucial that we not put this alignment garbage
> into the drivers themselves. Driver writers are going to get it
> wrong or be confused by it.
I guess I don't see a way around exposing some of it. Do you?
Even the (b) option requires drivers to know they can't pass pointers
to the inside of a structure, AND that memory right after the end of
an I/O buffer is unavailable. That exposes the issue. Although it
doesn't provide help to manage it, as (a) does, or detect it.
Should the dma mapping APIs try to detect the "DMA buffer starts in
middle of non-coherent cacheline" case, and fail? That might be
worth checking, catching some of these errors, even if it ignores
the corresponding "ends in middle of non-coherent cacheline" case.
And it'd handle that "it's a runtime issue on some HW" concern.
Or then there's David Woodhouse's option (disable caching on those
pages while the DMA mapping is active) which seems good, except for
the fact that this issue is most common for buffers that are a lot
smaller than one page ... so lots of otherwise cacheable data would
suddenly get very slow. :)
- Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-06-11 15:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-06-11 5:31 PCI DMA to small buffers on cache-incoherent arch David Brownell
2002-06-11 5:44 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 15:12 ` David Brownell [this message]
2002-06-11 15:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-12 3:25 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 17:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-12 9:42 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 14:14 ` David Brownell
2002-06-12 15:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-12 18:44 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-12 19:13 ` David Brownell
2002-06-12 19:58 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-12 22:51 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 23:17 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-13 4:57 ` David Brownell
2002-06-12 22:46 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-13 5:13 ` David Brownell
2002-06-13 9:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 22:50 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-13 0:23 ` [PATCH] 2.4 add __dma_buffer alignment macro Roland Dreier
2002-06-13 1:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-13 1:19 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-12 6:25 ` PCI DMA to small buffers on cache-incoherent arch David Brownell
2002-06-12 6:24 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 7:06 ` David Brownell
2002-06-12 9:22 ` David S. Miller
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-08 20:38 Roland Dreier
2002-06-08 13:58 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-06-09 0:52 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-08 23:03 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09 0:40 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-09 0:53 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09 1:26 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-09 5:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09 6:16 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 16:03 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11 14:04 ` David Woodhouse
2002-06-09 6:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-10 4:24 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-10 10:00 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-10 10:24 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09 9:51 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-06-09 10:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-10 4:27 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-10 15:59 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 17:03 ` Tom Rini
2002-06-10 17:22 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-10 17:29 ` Tom Rini
2002-06-10 17:39 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-10 19:03 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 19:14 ` Tom Rini
2002-06-10 19:21 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 19:26 ` Tom Rini
2002-06-10 17:57 ` Russell King
2002-06-10 17:28 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-10 18:07 ` William Jhun
2002-06-10 18:29 ` William Jhun
2002-06-10 18:33 ` Mark Zealey
2002-06-10 18:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11 3:10 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 4:04 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11 4:16 ` Brad Hards
2002-06-11 4:24 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11 4:24 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 4:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 4:39 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11 4:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 6:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11 6:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 7:38 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11 7:36 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 7:43 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 8:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11 8:15 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 12:06 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11 12:04 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 14:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-14 4:14 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 18:26 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-11 17:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-12 12:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-11 20:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-12 12:02 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11 23:00 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-11 23:56 ` Roland Dreier
2002-06-12 0:09 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-11 15:57 ` William Jhun
2002-06-12 9:06 ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-12 20:16 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 11:47 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 12:08 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-14 4:41 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 16:09 ` William Jhun
2002-06-09 1:30 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-06-09 5:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-09 6:33 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-06-09 6:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-09 6:57 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-06-09 7:15 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-06-09 8:48 ` Russell King
2002-06-09 15:42 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-06-09 23:26 ` Oliver Neukum
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=3D061363.70500@pacbell.net \
--to=david-b@pacbell.net \
--cc=davem@redhat.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox