From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>, Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.4.18 no timestamp update on modified mmapped files
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:56:25 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D06FEA9.AB40CC79@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111006300.1028-100000@localhost.localdomain> from "Hugh Dickins" at Jun 11, 2002 10:10:28 AM <E17I2kQ-000757-00@the-village.bc.nu>
Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > >
> > > I think it's too late to fix this in 2.4. If we did, a person
> > > could develop and test an application on 2.4.21, ship it, then
> > > find that it fails on millions of 2.4.17 machines.
> >
> > Oh, please reconsider that! Doesn't loss of modification time
> > approach data loss? Surely we'll continue to fix any data loss
> > issues in 2.4, and be grateful if you fixed this mmap modtime loss.
>
> It doesnt approach data loss, when doing incremental backups it
> *is* data loss. Ditto with rsync --newer
A more serious form of data loss occurs when an application has a shared
mapping over a sparse file. If the filesystem is out of space when
the VM decides to write back some pages, your data simply gets dropped
on the floor. Even a subsequent msync() won't tell you that you have
a shiny new bunch of zeroes in your file.
It's not simple to fix. Approaches might be:
1: Map the page to disk at fault time, generate SIGBUS on
ENOSPC (the standards don't seem to address this issue, and
this is a non-standard overload of SIGBUS).
2: Resurrect delayed-allocation patches, use their reservation
API to generate the SIGBUS.
3: Record the fact that there has been a data loss in the mapping
and return that information to a subsequent msync(). (I have
most-of-a-patch for this. It's fairly murky).
4: Dirty the page again if writepage() failed. This fills the machine
up with unfreeable pages, but emitting ENOSPC messages into the
logs may be acceptable - the operator makes some space, the data
gets written and the messages stop.
-
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-06-12 7:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-06-11 5:33 2.4.18 no timestamp update on modified mmapped files Keith Owens
2002-06-11 6:17 ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-11 6:29 ` Keith Owens
2002-06-11 6:49 ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-11 7:07 ` Keith Owens
2002-06-11 7:28 ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-11 9:10 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-06-11 9:33 ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-11 9:51 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-06-12 7:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-06-12 7:56 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-06-12 14:52 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-06-13 2:25 ` jw schultz
2002-06-13 9:58 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-06-13 10:40 ` jw schultz
2002-06-11 18:09 ` Robert Love
2002-06-12 17:17 ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-11 6:39 ` Andrew Morton
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-15 5:24 Kevin Easton
2002-06-15 8:10 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-06-15 9:12 ` Kevin Easton
2002-06-15 9:23 ` Russell King
2002-06-16 4:35 Kevin Easton
2002-06-16 16:35 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-06-19 17:57 Randy.Dunlap
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